Bob Mckenzie: Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Dion

What is the point in revisiting a trade that was made?

Exactly. Annoys me reading this thread and then reading the Bouwmeester thread in where he was traded and a lot of the guys calling for Feaster's head were thrilled with the trade at the time.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by icecube

This reminds me of the gm's in my fantasy league who are too lazy to research outside of the top five picks in the first round. They havent heard of anybody until they bust out and are talked about on tsn.

Id like to think most people on CP arent like that, but then i read posts like this and shake my head.

I would have done jumping jacks for nyquist alone, let alone nyquist AND tatar. First shmirst.

It would be wise to wait until we see how Klimchuk develops before we do jumping jacks.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Karl Racki

In fairness, Burke got nothing for his prize UFA (so far), so no matter how bad Feaster ###### it up, he did better than that.

I liked Feaster from the start, despite couple of boneheaded moves.
Not that big on Burke initially but he is starting to grow on me.
Still nervous that Flames will revert to picking crap in the draft under Burke as his draft record is poor.

Willing to see what develops in regards of Cammy, not that there is a choice.
To be fair Cammy was having hard time prior to the deadline but if someone offered 3rd round pick for him, I would have done what Burke did.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I tend to think the Poirier would have still been available at 28 so essentially it likely boils down to Klimchuk and a 2nd round pick or the Wings offer. Klimchuk looks like he may be a player but I would probably have taken Tatar and Nyquist but hindsight is 20/20 as these guys didn't look as good last year as they do today.

Would you have?

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I would take the first rounder over any two prospects in the Wings system as I don't see any franchise players and in this draft there could be a few littered in the first two rounds.

[SHOGUN]

This thread is depressing.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Exactly. Annoys me reading this thread and then reading the Bouwmeester thread in where he was traded and a lot of the guys calling for Feaster's head were thrilled with the trade at the time.

Who was thrilled with a late first and two prospects no one had even heard of before? Pretty sure the general consensus with the Jbo and Iginla trade was dissapointment and that we didn't get value but at least we got a couple firsts that sorta healed the sting.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Dion

It would be wise to wait until we see how Klimchuk develops before we do jumping jacks.

Why Klimchuk?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Hackey

What does that have to do with anything? Fact is Bouwmeester had a strong year and drastically increased his trade value. His value at the time of the trade is all that is relevant. We should be satisfied with less than market value because a year before it was less? That makes no sense. If Feaster passed on this deal he dropped ball huge. That's all there is to it. The value of Tatar and Nyquist last year was far superior to what we got from St Louis. It's over now so oh well but the justifications people come up with are terrible.

Yeah, really weird how people try to use that as some sort of crutch.

If we dealt Gio for a 2nd round pick, and said "well 3 years ago, he probably wouldn't have got that" would it make the trade any better?

Just really odd logic

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Bouwmeester, Iginla, Tanguay, Regher, all horrible returns. Feaster has no idea how to trade players.

He should have held on to them to drive up the value of what the Flames would get in future trades. If Feaster would have kept Iginla for instance and never traded him the Flames would get more in future trades, that just makes sense.

[Flash Walken]

This is all water under the bridge.

Thankfully, the organization appears to have moved on in the right direction.

I think it was Kehatch who mentioned it earlier: I do NOT want to know what Feaster turned down for Regehr.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Burke didn't turn down any great offers for Cammy because he didn't get any

This seems like a bit of a hasty statement, wouldn't the prudent thing be to wait a year until we can confirm that Bob did not hear that Anaheim had offered their 1st rounder before making such a definitive statement?

[dino7c]

anyone defending Feaster and bashing Burke because of Cammy needs to give their heads a shake. Feaster himself tried to trade Cammy this past summer and had no offers (he is on record talking about it) not sure how you can compare that to trading Jaybo who wasn't a upcoming UFA

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This seems like a bit of a hasty statement, wouldn't the prudent thing be to wait a year until we can confirm that Bob did not hear that Anaheim had offered their 1st rounder before making such a definitive statement?

I'm pretty confident the offer was a 3rd at best. Vanek got a 2nd and a prospect at this years deadline and he was the big fish

[JiriHrdina]

Confused by the tweet in terms of who the "another player" could be. The Flames didn't really have anyone similar to Bouwmeester except for maybe Gio?

An oddly vague tweet.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This seems like a bit of a hasty statement, wouldn't the prudent thing be to wait a year until we can confirm that Bob did not hear that Anaheim had offered their 1st rounder before making such a definitive statement?

If that means you are going to wait a year before you are allowed to comment, then the answer is yes.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by moon

The trade isn't for Poirier it is for the 23rd pick and what that normally gets.

A trade isn't better because the scouts do a good job picking.

If I trade Crosby for a 7th the deal isn't good because that 7th breaks all of Gretzky's record.

Stop using Poirier as a reason the Blues trade might work out.

You have said some colossally stupid things in your time, but this one might take the cake. Yes, the trade was for the 23rd pick. The entire question of whether we did well in the trade will be determined by what that pick turns into. So you are completely wrong. By making a trade for a draft pick, you are putting your success or failure into the hands of the scouts. So yes, the trade is better if the scouts hit a home run. Porier is the key from our perspective, and his success or failure most certainly is the reason why the trade may or may not work out for us.

Your Crosby comparison is a rather pathetic example of reductio ad absurdum given we did not trade Crosby, nor did we trade for a 7th rounder.

The question of whether another offer we supposedly had would have been better is a fair one, but it is unrelated to the question of whether we will ultimately come out okay in terms of the deal we did make.

[PeteMoss]

reductio ad absurdum

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Rumor was Detroit was also only offering a 2nd round pick not a 1st.

This is the short-sighted kicker. Feaster wanted a 1st. Detroit didn't offer that, offer ignored.

But I have to agree with the thoughts that this deal would have logjammed things... too many small wingers, and too many on the left side, especially when you look at who's coming up in the system. Granted additional trades could have resolved that but that's hard to say...

Hindsight's 20/20 anyway.

[bubbsy]

meh, feaster's tenure will be looked at as a period of poor trading, but at the same time an period of pretty decent or better drafting (depending on how some of these picks work out).

[dustygoon]

Better explains why Feaster was fired. Who cares if they are small; they are simply solid assets.

Nyquist outperformed this year, but anyone who follows NHL knew he had upside and was a Wings top prospect.

When you draft a 1st round pick, a GM hopes that he does that well in the AHL. Nyquist was already doing it. More valuable than a 1st in my mind.

Curious what our AHL scouts thought of Nyquist and Tatar last year.