Bob Mckenzie: Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Krack Korn

Huh? Cammy's a UFA.

Not yet

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Nyquist would certainly have had plenty of opportunity. What he wouldn’t have had is the quality of linemates he has in Detroit.

Tatar would have had to take a very large number and get in line. The Flames were already a joke on account of having about 30,000 LWs in their system (among other reasons).

Let's face it, if you added Tatar to the team that Feaster put together, you'd have to get Trotsky as the coach. ‘The starting lineup for your Calgary Flames, from left wing to extreme left wing—’

Nyquist big break through was when datsyuk and zetteberg were hurt... Even the Flames could have matched Legwand and Claendenning as line mates

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I, for one, will not be jumping for joy if Poirier becomes Tatar

I think you might suffer from other-team's-players-are-better-than-ours syndrome

I'm suffering from having a realistic view of how players develop. Tatar had 40 points as a rookie. That's pretty darn good.

[Burke Salad]

This has been the mantra lately, we can do better but at the last minute you just screwed the pooch.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Why? at the time of the trade it would have been an awful trade and 99% of people on CP would have agreed.

Bull####. Complete and total bull####.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'm suffering from having a realistic view of how players develop. Tatar had 40 points as a rookie. That's pretty darn good.

39 points as a 175 lb 23 year old

I expect Poirier to have more than 47 points to his name 4 years from now.

And he is bigger and grittier

[puckedoff]

Well thats hindsight. I like Poirier a lot, even if his trade wasn't good value. I hope fans won't hold that against him as he develops.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Everyone at the time wanted a 1st round pick in that deep draft. Everyone.

the pick wasn't even guaranteed to be in last years draft at the time of the trade, it could have been a late pick THIS draft, we got lucky

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Well thats hindsight. I like Poirier a lot, even if his trade wasn't good value. I hope fans won't hold that against him as he develops.

I'm sure nobody will hold it against him...not his fault Feaster is an idiot

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

39 points as a 175 lb 23 year old

I expect Poirier to have more than 47 points to his name 4 years from now.

And he is bigger and grittier

Didn't realize points were discounted due to low weight

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Didn't realize points were discounted due to low weight

I was trying to expend the conversation beyond points: he is a very small LW

Say that out loud a few times

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

the pick wasn't even guaranteed to be in last years draft at the time of the trade, it could have been a late pick THIS draft, we got lucky

Expecting StL to make the playoffs was hardly getting 'lucky'

[moon]

The trade isn't for Poirier it is for the 23rd pick and what that normally gets.

A trade isn't better because the scouts do a good job picking.

If I trade Crosby for a 7th the deal isn't good because that 7th breaks all of Gretzky's record.

Stop using Poirier as a reason the Blues trade might work out.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamingHomer

If Burke was concerned about the returns Feaster got in trades, it will be interesting to see what he gets for Cammalleri.

Iginla and NON UFA Jay Bo VS. Cammy who was playing terrible leading up to the deadline...apples and oranges


Burke didn't turn down any great offers for Cammy because he didn't get any

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Expecting StL to make the playoffs was hardly getting 'lucky'

it was close at the time of the deal...they were obviously worried about it or they wouldn't have requested it be protected

THEY HAD 5 MORE POINTS THAN 9TH PLACE...2 WINS AND A SOL

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by moon

The trade isn't for Poirier it is for the 23rd pick and what that normally gets.

A trade isn't better because the scouts do a good job picking.

If I trade Crosby for a 7th the deal isn't good because that 7th breaks all of Gretzky's record.

Stop using Poirier as a reason the Blues trade might work out.

Good or bad the end result is the same.

[mikeecho]

McKenzie is treading in "reverse Eklund" territory here. Discussing what might be happening (Eklund) and what could have happened (McKenzie) are equally questionable as in both cases the scenarios are almost never cut and dry as negotiations progress and offers are thrown around.

In my experience in the business world, a back and forth negotiation usually includes a lot of hypotheticals with both parties throwing out things as feelers to get a better sense of what the other sides breaking point is, knowing full well that what they are saying/offering may not be part of the end package.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

McKenzie is treading in "reverse Eklund" territory here. Discussing what might be happening (Eklund) and what could have happened (McKenzie) are equally questionable as in both cases the scenarios are almost never cut and dry as negotiations progress and offers are thrown around.

In my experience in the business world, a back and forth negotiation usually includes a lot of hypotheticals with both parties throwing out things as feelers to get a better sense of what the other sides breaking point is, knowing full well that what they are saying/offering may not be part of the end package.

Do you think McKenzie would have thrown this out there if this was just a feeler and not a final offer though? It's his credibility he puts on the line every time he says something, it's unlikely he'd randomly start venturing into hearsay and hypotheticals.

[moon]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Good or bad the end result is the same.

Sure but it doesn't make the original trade good or bad.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Everyone at the time wanted a 1st round pick in that deep draft. Everyone.

Nyquist and Tatar is like trading for two first round picks. Both those guys at the time were ripe and as close to sure things as it gets. That would have been a HUGE trade for this franchise. It's trades like those that can turn a team around quickly. The Flames blew it.