[Trade] Calgary trades Greg Nemisz to Carolina for Kevin Westgarth

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Well, MacDermid is five years younger and has more NHL games at 24 than Westgarth did (21 to 0). In my limited view - I've seen both a little but not a lot - Westgarth is the better facepuncher, but MacDermid is more likely to chip in the very odd goal. Both add grit, if that's all Burke wants.

MacDermid is also a fairly decent skater. Westgarth is, ironically, at Nemisz level I think.

On a sidenote - Cane's GM was one of the vocal 'anti-fighting' GMs - might explain why Westgarth didn't get many games in, and doesn't have a fighting major this year. This was from HF boards.

[PeteLFan]

@Fan960Steinberg: Kevin Westgarth fact: Former Steelers Head Coach Bill Cowher happens to be his father in law. #Flames

[FlamesAddiction]

Duffus for duffus.

At this point, a serviceable 4th liner is probably a better asset than Nemizs.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by ShaolinFlame

Even though people call the AHL a 'developmental league', I still say that building an AHL championship team is the only path to a Stanley Cup in the NHL. Bad trade....

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...002602001.html

EDIT: Ron Wilson was Playfair's assistant?!?!?!

Almost had to fight you there... then I clicked the link.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Your not getting that for Nemisz

I know. I was meaning that we should target players in the draft and such like that. Filler rent a goons are fine, but eventually, we need more high end players that can play at both ends and be a nuisance. You can only throw out the tough guys like Grats and Westgarth for 5 or so minutes a game, otherwise you're exposing yourself to more goals against. Physicality needs to be present on each line, even if it's something around Rene Bourque or Curtis Glencross' level of physicality.

[cznTiburon]

Degree in psychology with pre med completed. Well spoken guy traded for a guy who we will not see on the flames. Burke loved using Orr and mclaren. He will love to use mcgratton and westgarth. Could be interesting to see

[btimbit]

Who for who?

[flamesfan1297]

sounds like a good trade. You can never have enough tough guys

[moon]

Originally Posted by ShaolinFlame

EDIT: Ron Wilson was Playfair's assistant?!?!?!

Not the Ron Wilson former NHL coach.

[ShaolinFlame]

Originally Posted by moon

Not the Ron Wilson former NHL coach.

Just clicked the link on that HockeyDB page as you posted, and yeah... I'm dumb.

[Matty81]

Bad news for Bouma I think. Don't see where else Westgarth would play except opposite Grats on the 4th line wing. He's a decent player but the way the Flames are building that 4th line they want 3 #### disturbers who are willing to fight more than Bouma. Could see him headed back down to Abby if he doesn't have to clear.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Bad news for Bouma I think. Don't see where else Westgarth would play except opposite Grats on the 4th line wing. He's a decent player but the way the Flames are building that 4th line they want 3 #### disturbers who are willing to fight more than Bouma. Could see him headed back down to Abby if he doesn't have to clear.

I have to refuse to believe that Burke fails to see the value provided by Bouma.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

Seriously? God, calm yourself.

Calm myself? Was it all the caps lock or was it the excessive use of exclamation marks in my post that incited this thoughtful response?

Like it or not, the Ws aren't magically going to pile up for the Flames by adding a guy who plays 4-5 minutes a night. You lose an asset (not an NHL skater, an Abbotsford vet/locker room leader) and you take away a roster spot from someone who might be able to score in the bigs. (Westgarth is a Flame, not going to Abby.)

Its a minor move, obvious to anyone who knows the depth chart, but it's not the move I see making a team better who was just shut out in back-to-back tilts.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Again... Burke has no concern with Abbotsford winning anything. Its nice that they are good... but its no skin off his back if they lose.

And really... is there a ton of difference between this guy and Neimsz in terms of talent? Neimsz had 9 points in 32 games this year in the AHL, in his last season in the AHL Westgarth had 25 points in 76 games. That's a higher PPG for Westgarth than Neimsz has this year.

Maybe he's still pissed that bringing in Abbotsford made his Chilliwack Bruins have to move to Victoria, and this is his revenge...

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

What does this mean from Dreger:
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 38m
Hurricanes needed to move a contract, hence the Westgarth trade.

Neimsz is on an NHL deal isn't he?

Nhl salary is what they needed to move. Hurricanes a budget team and Dreger speculating another move on its way so they needed to clear space.

[moon]

I believe Bouma does have to clear to go down.

I will be very disappointed if Bouma is dropped for Westgarth to play.

[DazzlinDino]

Not hard to see what Burke is up to, he's the exact same size as McGrattan only 1lb lighter.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by moon

I believe Bouma does have to clear to go down.

I will be very disappointed if Bouma is dropped for Westgarth to play.

I agree Bouma has helped the Flames, but I don't think anyone doubted Burke's resolve to get bigger and tougher. 4th line is the easiest place to start.

[Matty81]

Unless maybe Bouma can play Centre? Couple sites have him listed as a centre so he must have played there at some point.

If Westgarth has to clear waivers he's staying up and unless Grats gets moved something has to give.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by moon

I believe Bouma does have to clear to go down.

I will be very disappointed if Bouma is dropped for Westgarth to play.

You'd think Hartley would have something to say about that.

It wouldn't be the first time a GM has acquired a player, only for the coach to not play him at all. Look at Mike Commodore's story about Detroit.