Who is next on Burke's List?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Fire

Not true. He said he wasn't sure how many pure prospects the farm team had.

I thought he said something like "the heat are playing well, but not sure how many of them are prospects".

At least that's how I took it.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I thought he said something like "the heat are playing well, but not sure how many of them are prospects".

At least that's how I took it.

I wish this was one of the times the GC app showed the intermissions ( sometime they do sometimes they don't) this sounds like in between periods were as exciting as the game it's self. I have a eidetic memory. which is why I love this kind difference of thoughts.

[Meers]

I can't wait for a second Phaneuf trade.

[Itse]

Smallish guys playing in spots that we need more size in:
Stajan, Stempniak, Backlund, Cammalleri, so really a bunch of guys thare are expected to go anyway. (Hudler just signed a long contract, otherwise he'd be there too.)

Basicly, I think Feaster was let go mostly because there wasn't faith that he could get full value for these guys. That's a whole lot of selling.

What will happen and really must happen is that we get some size into our top 4 D. Giordano, Brodie, Russell, Wideman. That's just not enough size.

That Wideman contract is so long it won't be easy to move, otherwise he'd be the first to go, as he's clearly in the wrong age group, and while he's a little more physical than Russell or Brodie, the difference is not that big. Giordano has been a good captain, so he's probably safe.

My prediction for the next CP meltdown: Brodie or Russell is traded in a package for a big, veteran top 4 defenseman. Butler is STILL here.

(Optionally, if some of those forwards go for a defenseman, MAYBE we could just push one of our top 4 down in icetime and. But that's really

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Well I do agree that Butler is more likely to be moved out now under Burke than under Feaster. Same goes for Wideman who might be a valuable chip for the new management to use.

At the deadline I think we can say goodbye to Stajan and Cammalleri.

Re-sign Russell and maybe Stempniak.

So not much has changed from what I was hoping Feaster would do, just a little more confident that Burke or Burke's new hire will actually get it done and get good value.

[FlameZilla]

Truth be told I have a lot more faith in Burke to get value for our assets than I do in Feaster. The flip side of this is that I fear there are very few of our favourite assets that are 'safe'. As FDW mentioned, Brodie could be packaged with other assets to bring back a slightly over-rated physical top 4 D and the CP meltdown would be legendary.

I expect there to be at least one big trade which takes place during Burke's tenure as interim GM. Let's hope it's a gooder.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Truth be told I have a lot more faith in Burke to get value for our assets than I do in Feaster. The flip side of this is that I fear there are very few of our favourite assets that are 'safe'. As FDW mentioned, Brodie could be packaged with other assets to bring back a slightly over-rated physical top 4 D and the CP meltdown would be legendary.

I expect there to be at least one big trade which takes place during Burke's tenure as interim GM. Let's hope it's a gooder.

I do agree with you. You are absolutely correct.

What I am afraid of, however, is the possibility of Burke trading away assets. I understand that in order to get something good, you have to provide something with somewhat close to equal value. I'm afraid what we give will be considerably more than what we get in return.

[irrevocable]

Originally Posted by krynski

I do agree with you. You are absolutely correct.

What I am afraid of, however, is the possibility of Burke trading away assets. I understand that in order to get something good, you have to provide something with somewhat close to equal value. I'm afraid what we give will be considerably more than what we get in return.

Burke is a very skilled in trade-fu. Your signature is a painful reminder of Feaster's mark on this team.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

Burke is a very skilled in trade-fu. Your signature is a painful reminder of Feaster's mark on this team.

Hah. Yeah, I guess. Who knows though, maybe Klimchuk will turn that table?

Although I still think the Kessel trade was a bust for Burke. This is what S-Net says, however:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/l...-kessel-trade/

[FlameZilla]

On a lighter note... Let's hope the next thing on Burke's to-do list is to wash &/or brush &/or cut his hair.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/b...ss-conference/

[saillias]

The hair thing is overblown

People are just jealous because 90%+ of men are bald by that age while he has no hairloss whatsoever.

[OzSome]

If Burkie wants to play big, he should let David Jones know. The guy is big but he's not using his size much to his advantage. He should go in front of the net most of the time or throwing some hits on the corner or the board. TJ Galliardi started off that well too but kind of tapered off the hits.

[Stanley]

I'm holding on to the hope that this may end the Glencross era...I may be in the minority but I just hate the way he plays, in spite of his scoring and great contract.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OzSome

If Burkie wants to play big, he should let David Jones know. The guy is big but he's not using his size much to his advantage. He should go in front of the net most of the time or throwing some hits on the corner or the board. TJ Galliardi started off that well too but kind of tapered off the hits.

Maybe he will convince the owners to buy out Jones if he continues to play like a 3rd line player. No point in keeping him on for two more seasons at $8 million in that role. I do think the purse strings have tightened somewhat since the Sutter days so I think it's a long shot but probably something that should be discussed.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

Your signature is a painful reminder of Feaster's mark on this team.

It's also kind of misleading, I mean it's factually accurate but it would be equally accurate if it read the following...
On March 27, 2013 The Calgary Flames traded a RW on pace for 58 points during an 82 game schedule, on an expiring contract, With a NMC that was only willing to be traded to one team, to the Penguins for:

2013 Pens 1st round pick
Agostino (Pens 2010 5th [140 overall])- PPG Player in the NCAA
Hanowski (Pens 2009 3rd [63 overall])- Captain of St. Cloud State

They're both equally true. If there was fault with the Iginla trade it was that it didn't happen earlier in Feaster's tenure (or later in Sutter's tenure for that matter). Not with the return he got at the time.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

You are making too much out of the size issue (if you can even call it that). He went hard for Kessel who is barely 6 feet and would never be confused with a hard-nosed bang & crash type winger, in fact he's quite soft. I think you can't have a team of all giants and every team needs the smaller, quicker, highly skilled guys in their line-ups as well. Patrick Kane won the Conn Smythe this past summer. He's 5'10" / 185 lb but had two 6+ feet, 200+ lb teammates on his line. There is absolutely a spot for Sven and Gaudreau, they just need some bigger guys (who also have skill) on their lines and I think that's what Burke is going for. I really don't think he's going to trade some of our most highly touted prospects, just because they're small in stature. Have we learned nothing from Martin St. Louis? If, and that's a big if, Burke is shopping Sven, he still has tremendous trade value who oozes potential, so the return would be significant. I think Burke's philosophy of have size/grit and being hard to play against is a great thing, and I would suspect he will be looking for those characteristics in any players acquired at the deadline for our assets that are on the trade block (or draft those types of players with draft picks received). Also, he's not going to be acquiring players that have size and nothing else, i.e. Cammy for Jared Boll. But if given the choice between two similarly skilled players, the one that has more size is probably the one he'd be leaning towards.

That is the philosophy of almost all the NHL GMs except for Feaster and Lowe.

They prefer the shiny high scoring objects.

Since the other GMs are going after the bigger tough to play against guys they are a harder commodity to get.

The Canucks had their best prospect of the last decade (Hodgson) to go along with young established about to break through Mason Raymond. The trouble was they already had the Sedins as their small skilled guys. There was no room for Hodgson and Raymond along with the Sedin's so they had to go at for not a lot of return.

Feaster was relentless in his pursuit of the tiny skilled shiny objects that the other GMs did not want (or had no room on their rosters)

Butler
Byron
Smith
Baertschi
Cammalleri
Stempniak
Babchuk
Hudler
Granlund
Gaudreau
Billins
Tanguay
Russell

even Jankowski was the long shot shiny object as while he 6-3 he was 160 pounds as an 18 year old and may never be able to carry the extra 50 pounds a 6-3 NHL player needs to carry.


The Flames were so fortunate that Lindholm was gone and Monahan was a no-brainer default pick at #6.

The whole organization was so bereft of the players the rest of the teams want wanted.... Alui who was basically a wash out not able to play at the AHL level was almost given a NHL roster spot on the Flames by default.

Feaster did not leave the Flames any better than what he inherited from Sutter.

When CP posters are thinking how good the assets in place are please compare Baertschi- Grandlund- Gaudreau to Mason Raymond

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The safest player in the organization is Monahan at this point. I think any hopes Stajan had about coming back are gone. Same with Cammy, and Stempniak.

Stempniak MAY be re-signed. He does hit and play a bit physical. Stajan has as well - really competes out there now physically, though he is just not big or strong enough. I don't think Burke entertains the idea of re-signing Stajan though, as he did trade him away once (and rumor has it he had no interest in re-signing Stajan that year? Can't for the life remember if that was 100% true).

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe he will convince the owners to buy out Jones if he continues to play like a 3rd line player. No point in keeping him on for two more seasons at $8 million in that role. I do think the purse strings have tightened somewhat since the Sutter days so I think it's a long shot but probably something that should be discussed.

Flames will sign some veterans this off-season - they literally have to. Still will be hard-pressed to make the floor. I didn't like the trade, as Avs fan said that Jones became a perimeter player after getting injured a few times, and less effective (what we saw exactly with him coming in and doing well, then getting hurt and being less effective since then). I think he is Rene Bourque all over again. However, I just don't see the point of buying him out. I would rather sit him if it came down to it, than someone else. I don't think the Flames will probably be a cap team (or a competing team anyways, so that it would matter) for those two years.

As for the purse strings tightening - Burke has come out and said that the owners are more than willing to spend to the cap. Cap has continually gone up. The hockey ops department are greatly expanded. Owners have been spending more and more money on this team every single year (except this rebuilding year, obviously - but like Burke said, they are willing to). I don't think the owners have been purse-tightening at all.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe he will convince the owners to buy out Jones if he continues to play like a 3rd line player. No point in keeping him on for two more seasons at $8 million in that role. I do think the purse strings have tightened somewhat since the Sutter days so I think it's a long shot but probably something that should be discussed.

The only reason to buy Jones out would be if the Flames plan to be up against the cap in the next two years. The only way that happens is if the Flames throw stupid money at a bunch of mercenaries whose salaries will be on the books longer than Jones.

So in short, there's absolutely no reason to move Jones for salary reasons.

Burke doesn't want the team to be a bottom-feeder, so expect a lot of overpaid contracts on this roster over the next few years. Nobody with any choice in the matter will sign for this team, in this city, for a fair-market deal.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The only reason to buy Jones out would be if the Flames plan to be up against the cap in the next two years. The only way that happens is if the Flames throw stupid money at a bunch of mercenaries whose salaries will be on the books longer than Jones.

So in short, there's absolutely no reason to move Jones for salary reasons.

Burke doesn't want the team to be a bottom-feeder, so expect a lot of overpaid contracts on this roster over the next few years. Nobody with any choice in the matter will sign for this team, in this city, for a fair-market deal.

There are no UFA's signed in the first 2 days of UFA time that sign with anyone for fair market value.

34 year old Pascal Dupuis 4 years at 3.75/year to re-sign with Pittsburgh...with a NTC 8 team no trade list...

There would be not better situation for him than his role in Pittsburgh.... why did they have to pay him so much?

Q: why did Hudler and Wideman sign with the Flames? ....A: The Flames paid them more than anyone else.


The only Free agency not totally driven by offering more money was Schultz signing in Edmonton.... He was going to get the Max contract allowed wherever he signed.

[Enoch Root]

Players that I think are on the way out:

Stajan
Butler
Backlund
Cammalleri
Galiardi
Byron back in Abby

Players that will be gone by the end of next year:

Wideman
one of Russell or Brodie
DJones

Up from Abby (by next year)

Knight
Sieloff
Ferland