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[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Would like to see Ramo get a start soon. They gave up on him way too soon IMO.

Hartley could be letting Berra play tonight to redeem himself a bit. I'm guessing he's on a short leash, though. I don't think they've given up on Ramo at all, I think we'll see the two flip-flop on playing time all year.

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Would like to see Ramo get a start soon. They gave up on him way too soon IMO.

I second this.

[Cambardi]

How old was Holtby when he made his NHL debut?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Man... a lot to cover in this thread.

Roger Millions is way too dramatic on twitter and runs to tweet something way too quickly. He complains about soap opera but it's one he's effectively started. I like Roger, but he's prone to not vetting things before he reports it. Done it one too many times.

As for Sven and his play.. I thought he had a very strong game vs the Oilers. Not just a strong game for him but a strong game as an NHL player. He was stronger on the boards, hitting guys on the forecheck and was first back on the defensive side of the game many times. Hartley actually gave him and Monahan top powerplay time, almost 3 minutes each. The comment was a bit out of line, innocent but certainly cutting, but I think Sven has hopefully turned a corner.

Becoming an NHL player is never a straight upwards line, going to be many ups and many downs.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yes. I know it was directed at the media. Everybody on the planet, including Sven, knows he will never be anything remotely close to Rocket Richard.

So if everybody knows he isn't Rocket Richard (right now) then how is it belittling to the player? Hartley didn't actually say he will never be anything remotely close to Richard, that is a misquote by you.

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

But when your head coach is belittling players on the team by giving subtle potshots through the media it's the day I'm done with a coach like that.

I don't see how your reaction can be classified as anything but an overreaction. Saying a rookie isn't a Hall of Famer isn't an insult. It isn't a subtle potshot. It isn't belittling. It's reality. It's the truth. It's fact.

In my opinion of course.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

So if everybody knows he isn't Rocket Richard then how is it belittling to the player?



I don't see how your reaction can be classified as anything but an overreaction. Saying a rookie isn't a Hall of Famer isn't an insult. It isn't a subtle potshot. It isn't belittling. It's reality. It's the truth. It's fact.

In my opinion of course.

Jesus. You can't really be that literal in everything? It was obviously an unnecessary remark, a borderline shot.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Becoming an NHL player is never a straight upwards line, going to be many ups and many downs.

Very Stephen Hawking'ish of you Agreed though, shortest distance between two points is not a straight line. Just ask the Oilers

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I don't see how your reaction can be classified as anything but an overreaction. Saying a rookie isn't a Hall of Famer isn't an insult. It isn't a subtle potshot. It isn't belittling. It's reality. It's the truth. It's fact.

Okay that's all true but sometimes saying the outright truth. I think this is one of those cases. Just seems like a needless comment, especially when it will obviously get back to the player.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Hartley could be letting Berra play tonight to redeem himself a bit. I'm guessing he's on a short leash, though. I don't think they've given up on Ramo at all, I think we'll see the two flip-flop on playing time all year.

When you dont get a start after losing to the pitiful Oilers, and the other goalie is on a 5 game losing streak with a GAA higher than yours, you have been given up on.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by nik-

Jesus. You can't really be that literal in everything? It was obviously an unnecessary remark, a borderline shot.

Why shouldn't we be literal?

I don't see this comment as significantly more unnecessary as any comments the coach is prompted to make by the media. I don't see the comment as a borderline shot either. It was not a shot at Sven. It was a shot at the media (and I guess some posters here) who were reacting to Sven's benchings as if he was a hall of famer and not a rookie who's struggled at times.

Harmless quote IMO. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree since some of you seem to want to spin drama out of nothing. I will maintain that you and others are overreacting to a big extent. I doubt Sven gets bent out of shape at all by the comment which mean the comment somehow offends fans worse than the player? To me that is silly.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

According to the starting line up, Sven is on it. On the 2nd line. No more Jackman.

Just looked at 1:15.

So is he or isn't he playing?

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?...id=DL|CGY|home

It's changed since this morning. Suggests Hartley changed his mind.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Why shouldn't we be literal?

I don't see this comment as significantly more unnecessary as any comments the coach is prompted to make by the media. I don't see the comment as a borderline shot either. It was not a shot at Sven. It was a shot at the media (and I guess some posters here) who were reacting to Sven's benchings as if he was a hall of famer and not a rookie who's struggled at times.

Harmless quote IMO. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree since some of you seem to want to spin drama out of nothing. I will maintain that you and others are overreacting to a big extent. I doubt Sven gets bent out of shape at all by the comment which mean the comment somehow offends fans worse than the player? To me that is silly.

We shouldn't be that literal because we're all smarter than that.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Cambardi

How old was Holtby when he made his NHL debut?

21 I think?

Played his first pro season split between the ECHL/AHL then played mostly in the AHL and the NHL towards the end of the season. Probably a good timeline for Gillies, little longer maybe.

[nik-]

There is zero reason to even approach rushing Gillies. After this year, let him hit the AHL, if he dominates there, lets start having this conversation.

Goalie really shouldn't be a concern at this point. No one seriously expects Ramo and Berra were the answers, so lets just be patient.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by nik-

Jesus. You can't really be that literal in everything? It was obviously an unnecessary remark, a borderline shot.

not sure what Jesus has to do with this but

can you really not understand that it wasnt a shot againt the player???

maybe borderline intelligence?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Okay that's all true but sometimes saying the outright truth. I think this is one of those cases. Just seems like a needless comment, especially when it will obviously get back to the player.

And do you guys seriously think this will somehow affect Sven? Seriously?

I don't think it will affect him in the slightest. Some people here are much more offended by the quote than Baertschi himself will be. Which highlights that it is an overreaction.

This board is getting ridiculous.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

So if everybody knows he isn't Rocket Richard (right now) then how is it belittling to the player?

By pointing out the obvious. There was no need for it.

Hartley didn't actually say he will never be anything remotely close to Richard, that is a misquote by you.

C'mon FDW..........of course it wasn't a misquote. It was my own comment. Pretty obvious I wasn't quoting anyone.

I don't see how your reaction can be classified as anything but an overreaction. Saying a rookie isn't a Hall of Famer isn't an insult. It isn't a subtle potshot. It isn't belittling. It's reality. It's the truth. It's fact.

It's also needless, which is my original beef. If Monahan gets scratched next game and the media is asking Hartley about it will he make sure to let us all know that Monahan is no Gretzky?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by nik-

We shouldn't be that literal because we're all smarter than that.

I don't really understand what you're getting at here. The quote is pretty cut and dried IMO. You guys are making something out of it that it isn't.

If you don't explain why we shouldn't be literal in this case then I don't understand what your point is.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by nik-

We shouldn't be that literal because we're all smarter than that.

One would think, but judging by how people jumped on Hartley because of a false tweet, that doesn't seem to always be the case. Think about that for a second, people went for Hartleys throat because of a motherf***ing tweet 20 games in on a rebuild.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Zevo

One would think, but judging by how people jumped on Hartley because of a false tweet, that doesn't seem to always be the case. Think about that for a second, people went for Hartleys throat because of a motherf***ing tweet 20 games in on a rebuild.

Yeah, because Hartley's been a tactical genius up to this point. He was a master of managing a roster, but then that tweet came and now everyone has changed their mind.

Hartley is entering the Tyson zone of coaching decisions.