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[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Maybe things would be better if our idiot coach wasnt' taking personal shots at one of our best young prospects.

I heard he also said he hates chocolate and kicked svens dog. True story. Check twitter

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Zevo

But that's not a jab at the player. It's a jab at all the media and fans that have Sven on a pedestal and think he can do no wrong. If he had worded it more like 'Sven seems to think he's Rocket Richard' then ya, I would agree.

Of course it's a jab at the player. Even if it's indirectly targeted, he's still insinuating Sven isn't a great player. And he's not (yet, anyway)......but I'll ask again, what was the point? All he had to do was word it differently, but didn't.

This team is going to be bad for a few years, and I'm ready for it. But what we need during a rebuild is a coach who is going to lead, mentor, and stick up for his players through thick and thin.

And I think why that comment that may not seem like a big deal to some has got me a bit riled up. Its a door creaking open to stuff that I don't want around this organization. Hartley needs to keep the jabs and silly comments to himself and stand up for his players as much as possible. You say it's a shot at the media, but that's not entirely true.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Well if you want Hartley gone you might as boot out the GM who hired him too!

I wanted him gone last year, actually. I just hope the two of them don't do anything too stupid from here on out.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Because there will be 3-5 highly touted prospects that will be in focus in the next four years, of which 25% will go on to their lofty expectations and the rest will come up short.

As the Dustin Boyd caper of 7 years ago would suggest, the failing of any of these prospects will largely be blamed on the coaching and management with about 4% coming in pointing fingers at the player himself.

I hope Baertschi develops into a great player but if he was sat down because of his backcheck on Saturday it wouldn't have shocked me. That was hockey 101 and he botched it.

I'd imagine that would be pretty annoying for coaches that had taken him through film over and over.

We teach 11 year olds which man you track, this isn't an NHL concept.

Not to mention not getting it in deep when your line wants to change and instead turning it over at the blue line...which he did as well. He gets dominated physically as well at times.
Hopefully he turns in to a dominate player, but he has a lot of work to do and sitting once in a while is not as bad as some of you make it out to be.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by nik-

That's fine. Bench him if he's bad, but bench others if they're bad too. Practice meritocracy if you preach it.

Why? I honestly don't understand why everyone is so caught up on this. Players are individuals. Good coaches will find ways to deal with different players. Some need to have a fire lit under their butt, and it seems Sven is one of these types, while others bring their own motivation and work hard on their own and don't need the tough love as much. As for vets, who cares if they make mistakes? They aren't the players the team is building around. Not to say that they can do whatever they want, but the team has generally identified veteran players that are character guys and they aren't going to tinker around sitting everyone in the line-up. That isn't the point. The vet players are asked to play hard and try to be competitive. Some of them will likely be traded throughout the season. Benching them won't really accomplish anything. In fact, you might run the risk of making a really sour environment if everyone is being sat after every mistake. Rookies can still benefit from taking a game off. They often aren't as physically mature, they often can get overwhelmed mentally, and sitting a game can just give them a breather, whether they think they need it or not.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Of course it's a jab at the player. Even if it's indirectly targeted, he's still insinuating Sven isn't a great player. And he's not (yet, anyway)......but I'll ask again, what was the point? All he had to do was word it differently, but didn't.

This team is going to be bad for a few years, and I'm ready for it. But what we need during a rebuild is a coach who is going to lead, mentor, and stick up for his players through thick and thin.

And I think why that comment that may not seem like a big deal to some has got me a bit riled up. Its a door creaking open to stuff that I don't want around this organization. Hartley needs to keep the jabs and silly comments to himself and stand up for his players as much as possible. You say it's a shot at the media, but that's not entirely true.

I didn't see it as negative towards the player at all. I think those that think Hartley is treating Sven unfair are going to see it one way and those who don't will see it another. Observation bias I guess.

[dammage79]

I'm okay with what Hartley said. He isn't Rocket frickin Richard nor likely ever will be. The fact that folks are getting all uppity about that fact is a little confusing. It's no slight against Sven as it is more a poke at the fans and media who try to whip up false controversy. Nothing to see here IMO.

I also would like to add that I wouldn't have understood a Sven benching if it did happen, but it didn't and all makes sense right now. He was very good in my view on Saturday and did nothing to warrant a press box visit.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

Why? I honestly don't understand why everyone is so caught up on this. Players are individuals. Good coaches will find ways to deal with different players. Some need to have a fire lit under their butt, and it seems Sven is one of these types, while others bring their own motivation and work hard on their own and don't need the tough love as much. As for vets, who cares if they make mistakes? They aren't the players the team is building around. Not to say that they can do whatever they want, but the team has generally identified veteran players that are character guys and they aren't going to tinker around sitting everyone in the line-up. That isn't the point. The vet players are asked to play hard and try to be competitive. Some of them will likely be traded throughout the season. Benching them won't really accomplish anything. In fact, you might run the risk of making a really sour environment if everyone is being sat after every mistake. Rookies can still benefit from taking a game off. They often aren't as physically mature, they often can get overwhelmed mentally, and sitting a game can just give them a breather, whether they think they need it or not.

Fair enough but forgive young players like Sven and others if they don't take the coach seriously, and possibly tune him out.

[Poe969]

Walk up to a young hockey player and say "you'll never be a Rocket Richard" and see his reaction. We all know Sven won't be another Rocket Richard but saying it is kind of a jab at him and his future.

Maybe it's Hartleys horrible english but he needs to start wording things differently.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by JoelOtto29

crisis averted

#freejackman

And... that is the first and last time I will use a hashtag

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Zevo

I didn't see it as negative towards the player at all. I think those that think Hartley is treating Sven unfair are going to see it one way and those who don't will see it another. Observation bias I guess.

Honestly, I'm not sure either way if Hartley is treating Sven unfairly yet. I don't like seeing him benched at all, but I have no idea what is in Sven's head......if he's a player that responds to benchings or folds like a cheap tent. I guess we'll get a better idea as the season goes along. I just hope Hartley knows what he's doing.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Because there will be 3-5 highly touted prospects that will be in focus in the next four years, of which 25% will go on to their lofty expectations and the rest will come up short.

As the Dustin Boyd caper of 7 years ago would suggest, the failing of any of these prospects will largely be blamed on the coaching and management with about 4% coming in pointing fingers at the player himself.

I hope Baertschi develops into a great player but if he was sat down because of his backcheck on Saturday it wouldn't have shocked me. That was hockey 101 and he botched it.

I'd imagine that would be pretty annoying for coaches that had taken him through film over and over.

We teach 11 year olds which man you track, this isn't an NHL concept.

How about goaltending 101 where you don't let a player score a game winning goal from behind the goal line in the 3rd period?

That was a boo boo by yogi berra!

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Walk up to a young hockey player and say "you'll never be a Rocket Richard" and see his reaction. We all know Sven won't be another Rocket Richard but saying it is kind of a jab at him and his future.

Maybe it's Hartleys horrible english but he needs to start wording things differently.

He didn't say that though...yet another misquote to make things look worse than they actually are.

[dustyanddaflames]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Roger Millions‏@RogMillions1m

Oops #SN's PxP man Rob Kerr believes Bob Hartley has a change of heart. Perhaps Baertschi WILL play. I hope this is the case.

Roger Millions‏@RogMillions52s

Apologies for the original tweet...was told by folks close to the team Baertschi would be scratched. The whoe soap opera is puzzling.

Oh Roger - the only soap opera is the one that you are drumming up yourself... Cripes - if you wouldn't have ran to twitter to post the information from a "source close to the team", there would be nothing to see. Maybe wait until you have two sources next time before trying be the hero breaking stories.

Now you just looks silly.

[Poe969]

I didn't say he said that, I asked what reaction you'd get if you said that to a young hockey player because that's the message he's sending to Sven. I agree with some on here that it was a little jab and if some of us are taking it that way, how do you know Sven isn't taking it that way? He's benched Sven a few games after playing well and then makes a public comment about him that can be taken the wrong way...just seems like a Jab

If he would have said something like: "We think Sven is a good player but some of you talk about him like he's Rocket Richard..." it would have come off a lot better.

[irrevocable]

I'll be stuck at work tonight. Hope Baertschi plays though. :/

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Zevo

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I must have missed that, when did that happen?

Not surprising you missed it. If you can't read between the lines of Hartley's comments then your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Aha ha ha ha ha ... media gets it wrong and Hartley takes both barrels from the drama queens. Some of you weren't and aren't ready for the re-build.

Any rumor, misquote, or minor decision from coaches or GM causes chaos...it's freakin hilarious.

Out of thanks.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I didn't say he said that, I asked what reaction you'd get if you said that to a young hockey player because that's the message he's sending to Sven. I agree with some on here that it was a little jab and if some of us are taking it that way, how do you know Sven isn't taking it that way? He's benched Sven a few games after playing well and then makes a public comment about him that can be taken the wrong way...just seems like a Jab

If he would have said something like: "We think Sven is a good player but some of you talk about him like he's Rocket Richard..." it would have come off a lot better.

He has said in the past they think Sven is a good player, several times in fact. I also remember Hartley saying recently he likes Sven and I'm sure has said more behind closed doors. So all he said was the second part this time 'some of you talk about him like he's Rocket Richard'. There is no way, in my mind at least, that that's a negative towards Sven. If a quote like this to the media to temper their immediate expectations has a negative effect on Bartschi, then we have more to worry about in Sven than having Hartley as a coach.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

not surprising you missed it. If you can't read between the lines of hartley's comments then your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff.

lol