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[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

He is, he's been on the team a lot longer and doesn't have as much to adjust to. Even as a Backs disliker, this is good for him, last year we signed/traded for 20 centres that somehow turned into not being centremen. Backs wasn't challenged (except as usual by injury). It's great he's got to earn time now.

I can use that very argument against Colborne.

Traded twice before by the age of 23. Never found any success with either of his previous teams.

Why did Chiarelli, the best GM in the league, give up Colborne so easily? And so many people thought Burke fleeced him in the Kaberle deal.

[Samiz]

Where is the haiku guy to provide some comedic relief when you need him?

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

I don't understand why you wouldn't throw Backlund and Baertschi back out on the PP right now, it's not like the current group is setting the world on fire.

Neither are hard enough on the puck. Backlund lacks playmaking ability. Just because Barry Bonds goes 0-4,0-10,0-12, it still doesn't justify playing someone else who can't create or do damage. Score some 5on5 and they might get a look.

[skcli]

Originally Posted by Red John

Not sure what's going on with Backlund and Hartley.

Hard to hate on Hartley as he has the guys buying into his style of play which is great but can't agree with how he's handled Backlund lately.

Also, Joey MacDonald sucks.

Backlund does not speak French IMO.

Joey -- the 3rd and the 4th goal justified his $1 million/year salary

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Are these your responses when certain coaching decisions can't be justified?

Or when some people lose their objectivity?

Last time I checked coaches have a lot more invested into making correct decisions for their team.

Is he justified? Time will tell.... Maybe you will be proven right. At this point, I have no problem with his icetime decisions.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I can use that very argument against Colborne.

Traded twice before by the age of 23. Never found any success with either of his previous teams.

Why did Chiarelli, the best GM in the league, give up Colborne so easily? And so many people thought Burke fleeced him in the Kaberle deal.

You have a really insufferable love for Backlund and Bear, or hate for Hartley, can't tell.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by strombad

You have a really insufferable love for Backlund and Bear, or hate for Hartley, can't tell.

I have an insufferable love for long-term success, or how I believe it is achieved. My thoughts are learned, not innate.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I can use that very argument against Colborne.

Traded twice before by the age of 23. Never found any success with either of his previous teams.

Why did Chiarelli, the best GM in the league, give up Colborne so easily? And so many people thought Burke fleeced him in the Kaberle deal.

I'm not pro or over the moon colourne, I'm only saying there are expectations on backs that he hasn't satisfied. Takeaways are great when you can distribute, and make plays offensively.

He needs work offensively.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Why did Chiarelli, the best GM in the league, give up Colborne so easily? And so many people thought Burke fleeced him in the Kaberle deal.

I am not sure he gave up on him easily, he traded him for what he thought was the missing piece for his team to win the Cup. And Chiarelli is certainly not the best GM in the league, but that doesn't change much.

[-TC-]

I missed the game tonight, I was at a concert - how was Backlund? Did he get lots of minutes?

[BigT112]

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by -TC-

I missed the game tonight, I was at a concert - how was Backlund? Did he get lots of minutes?

come on man.. read the thread.

[Passe La Puck]

Originally Posted by Mike F

FWIW, a look at advanced stats show Backlund head and shoulders above Colborne in effectiveness.

Backlund iFenwick: 24 (3rd best on the team)
Colborne iFenwick: 6 (tied for worst on the team)

And Colborne only has <55% of Backlund's icetime yet the same amount of points. As dumb as fenwick and corsi are, if they show anything it's that Colborne seems good at picking shooting lanes.

[WhiteTiger]

Glad to at least see some offense with the 3.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What stats? Career high 25 point season? He has never, ever broke out offensively and I don't think he ever will.

2010 -2011 was the last time Backs played a full season for the Flames. Injuries has hurt his progess and it may take longer for Backs to develop into the player Flames coaches and management want him to be.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Dion

2010 -2011 was the last time Backs played a full season for the Flames. Injuries has hurt his progess and it may take longer for Backs to develop into the player Flames coaches and management want him to be.

How much longer? He needs to step up to the plate now or will be passed by others. Tough deal but that's the way it works.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by timbit

How much longer? He needs to step up to the plate now or will be passed by others. Tough deal but that's the way it works.

He doesn't have a lot of time. He needs to make better use of his opportunities or he could be looking for another team.

[dino7c]

year one of rebuild...1 goal loss to detroit that was the fault of goal tending.


get a grip!

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

all this b.s. about Backlund vs. Colborne, Hartley being the wrong coach.

To paraphrase Bill Clinton, it's the goaltending, stupid.

Effort and opportunities are there, the soft goals have cost this team points the past two games.

Time for the 3 goalie system, per my thread in the Berra thread.

It really would've been nice if we'd ponied up an asset for Jonathan Bernier... If we'd given up the Pittsburgh pick I think that might have been enough.

[Metro Gnome]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yep and that's why I don't follow Wilson. Didn't he want Butler run out of town a few weeks ago? Butler has actually filled in very admirably for Giordano actually outplaying Brodie. Wilson is one of us that sits all day looking at obscure stats. His opinion means nothing more to me than anyone else's here. Fan opinion only as he's an authority on nothing NHL.

The stats you deride as "obscure" appear that way because you are ignorant of them, not because they aren't of value. The value of possession in the modern game in terms of predicting success isn't an "opinion"; it's an established fact which has been proven and re-proven over and over again.

I actually watch the games by the way. Often, more than once. I've tracked and collated scoring chances on the Flames for 4 years. Im a published hockey analyst. Im accredited by the team.

Out of the two of us, the one who has the "worthless fan opinions" is you.