Justin Trudeau running for Liberal leadership

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Oh good lord. I don't even know where to begin. Perhaps here: people in Quebec don't pay federal taxes now?

I also get a kick out of how every piece of green legislation is designed to "screw over Alberta." Maybe the rest of Canada is just actually concerned about the environment.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Outside of stealing hundreds of millions of taxpayer money in numerous scandals wich screwed over all Canadians save for maybe Quebec, he tried his damndest to screw over Alberta with Kyoto. I'm still embaressed to say I lived in a country to which he was the prime minister.

Wait a minute, hold the phone. I'm not much of a Chretien fan, but "hundreds of millions" sounds like a very exaggerated hyperbole.

Got links beyond the 14 mil from the sponsorship scandal?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Good thing all of that stopped once the Conservatives got in.

Yep Kyoto got ditched which to me is huge working in the oil and gas industry. As for scandles it's funny how a $90,000 expense scandal has been expedited to AdScam status in the media. You realize under Cretien this expense scandal would have been a minut blip on the radar right?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I also get a kick out of how every piece of green legislation is designed to "screw over Alberta." Maybe the rest of Canada is just actually concerned about the environment.

It's probably 50/50. Half really concerned about the environment and half wanting to stick it to those rich and greedy Albertans.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's probably 50/50. Half really concerned about the environment and half wanting to stick it to those rich and greedy Albertans.

Can you believe how Harper is pressuring the Americans to approve Keystone so that he can spill oil all over those self-absorbed hayseeds in Nebraska?

[Senator Clay Davis]

This thread is gold for insanely over the top hyperbole. I seriously hope everyone who's hardcore anti-Trudeau does indeed follow through on their threat to move when he becomes PM.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yep Kyoto got ditched which to me is huge working in the oil and gas industry. As for scandles it's funny how a $90,000 expense scandal has been expedited to AdScam status in the media. You realize under Cretien this expense scandal would have been a minut blip on the radar right?

And AdScam is a drop in the bucket compared to Harper's missing $3 billion.

[Bootsy]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I also get a kick out of how every piece of green legislation is designed to "screw over Alberta." Maybe the rest of Canada is just actually concerned about the environment.

I might actually believe that if the Ontario automakers weren't exempt from the emissions regulation.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Can you believe how Harper is pressuring the Americans to approve Keystone so that he can spill oil all over those self-absorbed hayseeds in Nebraska?

Yes because it's a foregone conclusion that this pipeline will lead to several large disasters. Happens all the time right?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Bootsy

I might actually believe that if the Ontario automakers weren't exempt from the emissions regulation.

That's incredibly poor logic.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yes because it's a foregone conclusion that this pipeline will lead to several large disasters. Happens all the time right?

Uh, it sorta does, just not at Deepwater Horizon levels.

Take a Google at how many environmental remediation companies (or companies that remediate along with other tasks) exist in Alberta.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yes because it's a foregone conclusion that this pipeline will lead to several large disasters. Happens all the time right?

I feel like you missed my point. It sort of ruins my rhetorical effect if I have to explain it. Oh well. My post was meant to demonstrate the absurdity of taking a potential negative consequence of an action and assuming that those consequences are intended by the actor due to some malicious motive.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

This thread is gold for insanely over the top hyperbole. I seriously hope everyone who's hardcore anti-Trudeau does indeed follow through on their threat to move when he becomes PM.

Why would I move? It's not like I won't outlive his term. If he somehow came into power the best part would be when he gets booted out ala Paul Martin.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

That's incredibly poor logic.

How so? Please explain?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Outside of stealing hundreds of millions of taxpayer money in numerous scandals wich screwed over all Canadians save for maybe Quebec, he tried his damndest to screw over Alberta with Kyoto. I'm still embaressed to say I lived in a country to which he was the prime minister.

The man is 80 years old and he can still shawingan handshake your ass. haha

HUNDREDS OF MILLION!!!!??? if you are going to make stuff up, why not go for all the glory and say that Chretien and the Fibs screwed us out of TRILLIONS of dollars!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Uh, it sorta does, just not at Deepwater Horizon levels.

Take a Google at how many environmental remediation companies (or companies that remediate along with other tasks) exist in Alberta.

I know that very well as my brother has worked in the environmental field for over a decade with several environmental firms and engineering compaines. If we were spilling oil and leaking gas left and right I would probably have a pretty good idea.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know that very well as my brother has worked in the environmental field for over a decade with several environmental firms and engineering compaines. If we were spilling oil and leaking gas left and right I would probably have a pretty good idea.

How? It's not like Pipeline X is going to call up Pipeline Z and say "Hey Jim, just in case you were wondering, we had a logging truck drive over a line without a crossing agreement, and we lost xxx litres of crude last night." and then somehow the information would get back to engineering firm Y.

[Bootsy]

Originally Posted by rubecube

That's incredibly poor logic.

It's poor logic to think that the move was a politically motivated one not an environmental one?
If the rest of Canada was so concerned about the environment why exempt one industry in an area of the country where the Liberals just happened to have had a lot of seats ?
Shouldn't all industries have to follow the same standards?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

How? It's not like Pipeline X is going to call up Pipeline Z and say "Hey Jim, just in case you were wondering, we had a logging truck drive over a line without a crossing agreement, and we lost xxx litres of crude last night." and then somehow the information would get back to engineering firm Y.

You make it sound like when these things happen its covered up. It's not and if its a big deal it is always made public. These environmental companies spend most their time doing site accessment, reclamation, and audits. They aren't running around cleaning spills as you insinuate.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You make it sound like when these things happen its covered up. It's not and if its a big deal it is always made public. These environmental companies spend most their time doing site accessment, reclamation, and audits. They aren't running around cleaning spills as you insinuate.

I never insinuated they are covered up, only that they are typically dealt with by a) the company that had the spill, b) the company hired to clean up (sometimes handled internally) and c) the ERCB.

There are hundreds of spills in Alberta a year, most are minor, but they do occur.