Where does Iginla play next year?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I might not be an NHL scout, but i have seen enough hockey in my time to see that Hanowski has major work to do in his skating to make the NHL.

As for your other post, some of us saw that Bartowski was ready for a cup of coffee with an NHL team, and thought he was a much better throw in player, "asset value wise" over the 2 players we got from Pitt. Add in the Russian and it was a no brainer on which trade was better.

The only reason the 2 players from the Pitt deal got praise was that the trade came out of left field and they were already members of the flames. The usual "koolaid" drinkers started praising them because they were flames. The Boston deal that fell through took hours, so CP had time to bash the players from that deal because they were not flames yet. Those CP had this image of getting top prospect after top prospect , plus 1st's for Iggy. THey were not realistic.

I shake my head at posters that think the 2 deals are similar.

Agree with what you are saying. I shake my head at posters who judge players on a couple of games in the NHL and claim they will never be a player in the AHL let alone the bigs. Give the guy a chance to adjust before proclaiming g him a lost cause. Hanowski needs some work on his skating but he was no where near as bad as some are suggesting.

You're right that the two deals weren't the same. Boston's was better a d Iginla kind of screwed us over by not committing to go there. That is done. Get over it and accept that we got probable 3rd line players for the future. They meet a need for the team and that should keep us happy.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by New Era

Agree with what you are saying. I shake my head at posters who judge players on a couple of games in the NHL and claim they will never be a player in the AHL let alone the bigs. Give the guy a chance to adjust before proclaiming g him a lost cause. Hanowski needs some work on his skating but he was no where near as bad as some are suggesting.

You're right that the two deals weren't the same. Boston's was better a d Iginla kind of screwed us over by not committing to go there. That is done. Get over it and accept that we got probable 3rd line players for the future. They meet a need for the team and that should keep us happy.

I shake my head at people that don't know enough to see just how poor of a skater this guy is. He's in that Sasha Lakovic territory where you just scratch your head and wonder what the heck he's doing on an NHL roster. I don't typically have hate-ons for players like a lot here for instance I think Butler is a serviceable defenseman that is a whipping boy. I was just floored when I saw this guy live. It would be great if he could improve his skating but he has a tonne of work to do.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I also doubt he'll settle for a loser team, but I can see if some 2nd tier contenders like St. Louis, Ottawa or even the Leafs offer a little more money than say Pittsburgh, Chicago or Boston; that he will go where the money is.

If getting a Cup was as important to Iginla as it seems to be to some of his fans, I think he would have moved on a couple of years ago already.

He wanted to win a cup in Calgary. He limited his no trade to two of the top two contenders. I'll never say money wasn't important to Iginla's career, I think it was smart it was but I think winning a cup is a huge importance to him as well.

If he wins the cup with the Penguins this year, then yah I can totally see him just going to wherever works but if he doesn't... I think he'll take a cheap deal.

[BurningSteel]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

If he wins the cup with the Penguins this year, then yah I can totally see him just going to wherever works but if he doesn't... I think he'll take a cheap deal.

Take a cheap deal where? Pittsburgh? If they dont win this year whose to say how they do next? It is impossible to predict which team will win the cup in any given year. Other than the 2004 run, this year is likely the closest hes going to get. He better hope it works out well.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I shake my head at people that don't know enough to see just how poor of a skater this guy is. He's in that Sasha Lakovic territory where you just scratch your head and wonder what the heck he's doing on an NHL roster. I don't typically have hate-ons for players like a lot here for instance I think Butler is a serviceable defenseman that is a whipping boy. I was just floored when I saw this guy live. It would be great if he could improve his skating but he has a tonne of work to do.

You are seriously over exaggerating how bad his skating is....it ain't great but your killing it.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by BurningSteel

Take a cheap deal where? Pittsburgh? If they dont win this year whose to say how they do next? It is impossible to predict which team will win the cup in any given year. Other than the 2004 run, this year is likely the closest hes going to get. He better hope it works out well.

Try to work out a cheap deal with a team he thinks will be a contending team. Similar to what Marian Hossa tried for a couple years.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by New Era

Agree with what you are saying. I shake my head at posters who judge players on a couple of games in the NHL and claim they will never be a player in the AHL let alone the bigs. Give the guy a chance to adjust before proclaiming g him a lost cause. Hanowski needs some work on his skating but he was no where near as bad as some are suggesting.

You're right that the two deals weren't the same. Boston's was better a d Iginla kind of screwed us over by not committing to go there. That is done. Get over it and accept that we got probable 3rd line players for the future. They meet a need for the team and that should keep us happy.

No he never. He had a no trade clause that was granted to him by the Flames organization. Iginla first and foremost has to look after himself and his family. At the point that he was asked to waive his no trade clause, he no longer has any allegiance to the Flames nor should he be expected to.

The Flames screwed themselves, not just by the no trade clause they gave to Iginla, but to other Flames players as well.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by redforever

No he never. He had a no trade clause that was granted to him by the Flames organization. Iginla first and foremost has to look after himself and his family. At the point that he was asked to waive his no trade clause, he no longer has any allegiance to the Flames nor should he be expected to.

The Flames screwed themselves, not just by the no trade clause they gave to Iginla, but to other Flames players as well.

I guess it depends on how the events played out. It was reported that before the trade, Iginla said he would waive to go to Boston and thus Feaster worked out a deal with the Bruins and it wasn't until after Pittsburgh put their offer on the table that Iginla ultimately said no to going to Boston. Honestly, I cannot see the Flames talking to teams if Iginla didn't already give the greenlight for those teams.

It was reported that the Flames made a mistake by not getting the waiver in writing officially, but that still doesn't make Iginla look great either. You would think after 16 years, you wouldn't need it writing.

Also, I like Hanowski.

[browna]

West coast.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

At that point in the tournament, the Crosby line was the third line. The Toews and Getzlaf lines were #1 and #2. The Crosby-Iginla line, despite high hopes in camp, had not gelled, while the Toews and Getzlaf lines had rounded into dominant two-way lines.

So much revisionist history about that tournament.

Crosby was never the third line.

Just because a line doesn't produce for a couple of games doesn't mean they suddenly become the third line.

And it doesn't change the fact that other teams remained concerned about Crosby first and foremost.

I agree with the fact that there is plenty of revisionist history around though.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Crosby was never the third line.

Just because a line doesn't produce for a couple of games doesn't mean they suddenly become the third line.

And it doesn't change the fact that other teams remained concerned about Crosby first and foremost.

I agree with the fact that there is plenty of revisionist history around though.

I think CF's point was that (you?) insinuated that Iginla was put with Crosby because Iginla was doing great in the tournament, and CF was arguing that the Toews line and the Getzlaf wasn't going to be broken up because they were playing well.

Moreover, revolutionist history would be Babcock played Iginla with Crosby because Iginla was so great; in reality, Babcock was critical of Iginla's play and said he needed more 2-way play from Iginla as they had enough scorers. This is not really my opinion, but Babcock's.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I think CF's point was that (you?) insinuated that Iginla was put with Crosby because Iginla was doing great in the tournament, and CF was arguing that the Toews line and the Getzlaf wasn't going to be broken up because they were playing well.

Moreover, revolutionist history would be Babcock played Iginla with Crosby because Iginla was so great; in reality, Babcock was critical of Iginla's play and said he needed more 2-way play from Iginla as they had enough scorers. This is not really my opinion, but Babcock's.

No one is disagreeing with that though. Iginla started the tournament on a lower line, Babcock was critical of Iginla. As the tournament progressed Iginla got more time and better line mates. He and Crosby were together as the first line in the Gold Medal game.

It's odd some are putting more thought into how Iginla started the tournament then how he ended it. The posted Cliff Fletcher suggesting Iginla and Crosby were the third line for the Gold Medal game is not only revisionist history, it's downright stupid.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

No one is disagreeing with that though. Iginla started the tournament on a lower line, Babcock was critical of Iginla. As the tournament progressed Iginla got more time and better line mates. He and Crosby were together as the first line in the Gold Medal game.

It's odd some are putting more thought into how Iginla started the tournament then how he ended it. The posted Cliff Fletcher suggesting Iginla and Crosby were the third line for the Gold Medal game is not only revisionist history, it's downright stupid.

In the gold medal game, Iginla was 8th in TOI among CDN forwards.

Toews, Nash, Staal, and Marleau all had more shifts than Crosby, and Richards has as many.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

In the gold medal game, Iginla was 8th in TOI among CDN forwards.

Toews, Nash, Staal, and Marleau all had more shifts than Crosby, and Richards has as many.

Actually, thanks for posting that because it pretty much proves that Canada was rolling basically three lines. Either could be the "first line". There is about 30 seconds a period separating lines one, two or three.

Certainly doesn't show that Iginla wasn't trusted by the coaching staff, or he wouldn't have been put on those lines or with the best player.

[moon]

Wasn't the goal scored in a 10 min, 4 on 4 OT period?

If Babcock didn't trust Iginla he easily could have rolled with Thorton-Marleau, Perry-Getzlaf, Toews-Crosby and left Iginla on the bench. Those 6 guys could have easily handiled the 10 mins of ice time for the forwards without ever having to worry about putting out crappy Iginla.

I don't think Babcock thought Iginla was the stud of the team but the fact he put him out there with Crosby with so many options in OT certainly shows he had confidence in him and no issues at all with what he could bring to the table at a key moment in the tournament.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Actually, thanks for posting that because it pretty much proves that Canada was rolling basically three lines. Either could be the "first line". There is about 30 seconds a period separating lines one, two or three.

Certainly doesn't show that Iginla wasn't trusted by the coaching staff, or he wouldn't have been put on those lines or with the best player.

Since the original claim was that Babcock trusted Iginla enough to put him on the top line in the gold medal game, the onus is on those making that claim to demonstrate how Iginla earned any more responsibility than Toews, Richards, Nash, Staal, Marleau, and Morrow.

Look at the Slovakia game: Iginla is tied for tenth among CDN forwards in shifts.

As for Crosby, read the articles written after the gold medal game and a common theme was that Crosby had a disappointing tournament before the golden goal, and it was a sweet redemption for that reason.

I just don't buy the myth around here that Crosby and Iginla had awesome chemistry at the Olympics. They were pencilled in at camp on a line with Nash, which everyone thought would be an awesome line. It wasn't, Nash was moved to the Toews-Richards line - which did instantly become an awesome line - and when Getzlaf-Staal-Perry/Morrow started to click, Crosby-Iginla-whoever were left as the odd line out, since the SJ line was never going to be broken up.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by moon

Wasn't the goal scored in a 10 min, 4 on 4 OT period?

If Babcock didn't trust Iginla he easily could have rolled with Thorton-Marleau, Perry-Getzlaf, Toews-Crosby and left Iginla on the bench. Those 6 guys could have easily handiled the 10 mins of ice time for the forwards without ever having to worry about putting out crappy Iginla.

I don't think Babcock thought Iginla was the stud of the team but the fact he put him out there with Crosby with so many options in OT certainly shows he had confidence in him and no issues at all with what he could bring to the table at a key moment in the tournament.

I never said Babcock didn't trust him. I'm countering claims that he trusted him more than other forwards. As for being on a line with Crosby, I've just pointed out how that was the misc line after Toews-Richard-Nash showed great chemistry, and then Getzlaf-Staal-Perry/Morrow clicked. Crosby, Iginla, and random-guy were a line out of the process of elimination.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I just don't buy the myth around here that Crosby and Iginla had awesome chemistry at the Olympics. T.

Has anyone been saying that?

I haven't.

Toews-Richard-Nash

Richard's played less then Iginla in the Gold Medal game.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I never said Babcock didn't trust him. I'm countering claims that he trusted him more than other forwards. As for being on a line with Crosby, I've just pointed out how that was the misc line after Toews-Richard-Nash showed great chemistry, and then Getzlaf-Staal-Perry/Morrow clicked. Crosby, Iginla, and random-guy were a line out of the process of elimination.

Again, no one is saying he trusted him "more" then any other forward. It's the fact that Babcock was critical of him early in the tournament then put him in key situations later on.

I tend to focus on how a guy ends things then how he starts.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I shake my head at people that don't know enough to see just how poor of a skater this guy is. He's in that Sasha Lakovic territory where you just scratch your head and wonder what the heck he's doing on an NHL roster. I don't typically have hate-ons for players like a lot here for instance I think Butler is a serviceable defenseman that is a whipping boy. I was just floored when I saw this guy live. It would be great if he could improve his skating but he has a tonne of work to do.

What is your expertise again? Some histrionic poster on a hockey web site or a power skating instructor who really knows what it takes to be a good skater. Been through the power skating routine and I can say his skating ain't that bad. Needs improvement, but not as bad as you make it out. Since you are the expert, what is wrong with his skating? What needs to be fixed?