Some things I don't want to see

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

This is why I have zero faith for a rebuild with Feaster at the helm. Just look at his draft record while in Tampa (2002-2007):

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00008385.html

I challenge you to find a single NHL player in that list.

Blair Jones

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Hmm, I didn't realize he fired all the Calgary scouts and support staff and hired all the guys he had in Tampa when he became GM here. Learn something new every day.

Because Calgary's drafting record has been so much better? He had terrible scouting in Tampa (his fault) and he has terrible scouting in Calgary (again his fault, since he's the one in charge and everything). How is our drafting supposed to magically improve with a bad GM listening to bad scouts?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

His draft record doesn't shine I admit but in Calgary he is surrounded by good hockey people like Weisbrod (Stanley Cup with Boston) and Goulet (2 Cups with Colorado) who help him make decisions on trades and draft.

With his picks in Calgary we have players who play huge roles with their respective teams aka Gaudreau, Gillies, Brossoit, Wotherspoon, Sieloff and are getting recognized by hockey writers and media.

Until one of those players actually plays a few games for the Flames and can make an impact, I don't care what is said about them. The reason I focused only on his Tampa years is because that is known, while his Calgary record isn't. And what is known about him gives me zero confidence in his ability to turn this franchise around

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Because Calgary's drafting record has been so much better? He had terrible scouting in Tampa (his fault) and he has terrible scouting in Calgary (again his fault, since he's the one in charge and everything). How is our drafting supposed to magically improve with a bad GM listening to bad scouts?

Our scouting has been better than average since Feaster took over...

[Mattman]

I don't want to see Flames fans ever booing our team off the ice. You can boo the ref, other team but no our own team

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Because Calgary's drafting record has been so much better? He had terrible scouting in Tampa (his fault) and he has terrible scouting in Calgary (again his fault, since he's the one in charge and everything). How is our drafting supposed to magically improve with a bad GM listening to bad scouts?

How do we have terrible scouting in Calgary? There were reports that Darryl ran a tight ship with the scouting department and his say was the last word on who we were picking but with Feaster it seems Todd Button has done a decent job drafting different types of players who are successful in their leagues.

[PeteLFan]

Theres no way he can screw up the 1st overall pick this year, its the rest of the picks where he has to bear down and make a name for himself.

This 2013 NHL entry draft will be the monumental draft in Flames history. This should set our franchise up going forward for the next 10-15 years, not set it back.

[drPepper1]

2012 Entry NHL Totals
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2012 Entry 21 1 Mark Jankowski C Stanstead College (Quebec)
2012 Entry 42 2 Patrick Sieloff D U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
2012 Entry 75 3 Jon Gillies G Indiana Ice [USHL]
2012 Entry 105 4 Brett Kulak D Vancouver Giants [WHL]
2012 Entry 124 5 Ryan Culkin D Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]
2012 Entry 165 6 Coda Gordon L Swift Current Broncos [WHL]
2012 Entry 186 7 Matt DeBlouw F Muskegon Lumberjacks [USHL]

2011 Entry
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2011 Entry 13 1 Sven Baertschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 15 3 1 4 8
2011 Entry 45 2 Markus Granlund F HIFK Jr. (Finland)
2011 Entry 57 2 Tyler Wotherspoon D Portland Winterhawks [WHL]
2011 Entry 104 4 John Gaudreau F Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL]
2011 Entry 164 6 Laurent Brossoit G Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL]

Feasters draft record with Flames soo far. Lots of potential, I agree that none have actually panned out yet. But it sure seems like he's going in the right direction and making good picks.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Our scouting has been better than average since Feaster took over...

This is based on all their stellar performances in the NHL?

There are ton of guys who look good pre-NHL that don't turn out and every team has a bunch of guys doing well in their leagues, that is why they were drafted because they are the best players of their age group/league.

It is way too early to say how the drafting has been with a grand total of 10 games being played by those picks and nobody close to a sure thing of even making the league.

[Buff]

I don't want to see Calgary lose night in and night out. I don't want to see Calgary get a top 3 draft pick as a result of a bad season, but I don't want to see Calgary mortgage their future in futile attempts to make the playoffs. I accept what is happening, but what makes it really hard is to see some of the key players just not care. Yes, your leader and friend, Jarome Iginla was traded away as well as the top defenseman. Yes, the team is not going to make the playoffs, and going in a different direction. Deal with it. Stop sulking and play hard.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Until one of those players actually plays a few games for the Flames and can make an impact, I don't care what is said about them. The reason I focused only on his Tampa years is because that is known, while his Calgary record isn't. And what is known about him gives me zero confidence in his ability to turn this franchise around

So you don't want to wait and see how the Calgary draftees pan out before judging him on what he did 5-6 years ago with a different scouting staff? His pick from 2 years ago is already being considered the next franchise player in Sven Bartschi and while he hasn't been tearing up the league everyone around knows he has the potential to be a first line player in the league.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by drPepper1

2012 Entry NHL Totals
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2012 Entry 21 1 Mark Jankowski C Stanstead College (Quebec)
2012 Entry 42 2 Patrick Sieloff D U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
2012 Entry 75 3 Jon Gillies G Indiana Ice [USHL]
2012 Entry 105 4 Brett Kulak D Vancouver Giants [WHL]
2012 Entry 124 5 Ryan Culkin D Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]
2012 Entry 165 6 Coda Gordon L Swift Current Broncos [WHL]
2012 Entry 186 7 Matt DeBlouw F Muskegon Lumberjacks [USHL]

2011 Entry
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2011 Entry 13 1 Sven Baertschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 15 3 1 4 8
2011 Entry 45 2 Markus Granlund F HIFK Jr. (Finland)
2011 Entry 57 2 Tyler Wotherspoon D Portland Winterhawks [WHL]
2011 Entry 104 4 John Gaudreau F Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL]
2011 Entry 164 6 Laurent Brossoit G Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL]

Feasters draft record with Flames soo far. Lots of potential, I agree that none have actually panned out yet. But it sure seems like he's going in the right direction and making good picks.

There is a lot of potential with the picks, but can we judge them right now? I don't think its fair, to say he's done good or bad so far.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by moon

This is based on all their stellar performances in the NHL?

There are ton of guys who look good pre-NHL that don't turn out and every team has a bunch of guys doing well in their leagues, that is why they were drafted because they are the best players of their age group/league.

It is way too early to say how the drafting has been with a grand total of 10 games being played by those picks and nobody close to a sure thing of even making the league.

Agreed. But you can't call it "terrible" either without seeing any results within 2 years of Feaster's first draft.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by moon

It is way too early to say how the drafting has been with a grand total of 10 games being played by those picks and nobody close to a sure thing of even making the league.

I agree that the jury is still out, but I think most of those guys (especially from the 2011 draft) would have been drafted much earlier if they re-did the drafts today. Based on that, I'd say that his draft record in Calgary is looking promising.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

How do we have terrible scouting in Calgary? There were reports that Darryl ran a tight ship with the scouting department and his say was the last word on who we were picking but with Feaster it seems Todd Button has done a decent job drafting different types of players who are successful in their leagues.

This is a real question?

We've had the same head scout for the last 12 years. Todd Button has survived 4 GMs.

Show me one organization who has had a worse track record than us when it comes to the draft. Sadly, the only organization that may rival us in overall futility is Tampa Bay... well, you know the story.

I get that the last two drafts look fairly pretty, but prospects always look great 2 years out. Last year we were talking about how we had a 5th round steal in Ferland. The year before, it was the surprising Patrick Holland. Matt Keetley and Kevin Lalande were the tandem of the future. Or Adam Cracknall, who was 6'4 and had a great shot.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

This is a real question?

We've had the same head scout for the last 12 years. Todd Button has survived 4 GMs.

Show me one organization who has had a worse track record than us when it comes to the draft. Sadly, the only organization that may rival us in overall futility is Tampa Bay... well, you know the story.

I get that the last two drafts look fairly pretty, but prospects always look great 2 years out. Last year we were talking about how we had a 5th round steal in Ferland. The year before, it was the surprising Patrick Holland. Matt Keetley and Kevin Lalande were the tandem of the future. Or Adam Cracknall, who was 6'4 and had a great shot.

The head scout has remained, but we have done a overhaul of our scouts as well.

I agree Todd has a pretty bad track record, but he was also hindered by Darryl Sutter and his insistence on certain things.

[moon]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

Agreed. But you can't call it "terrible" either without seeing any results within 2 years of Feaster's first draft.

I would say the jury is out with it most likely turning out average when 5 years or so has passed.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I don't want to see Calgary kids supporting whatever winning team that suits them. It happened in the '90s & nearly killed this franchise. You're from Calgary & you're lucky enough to have a massive (albeit struggling) NHL hockey club in your town. Take that for granted & you'll lose it.

Yes, this is exactly what happened as a kid growing up in the late 90's and pre 2004. It seemed like everyone was a Colorado or Detroit fan and it drove me crazy. Of course after the run everybody was back on the Flames wagon, let's hope we don't create a generation of Chicago and pitt fans with this run of mediocrity this teams on.

[Puppet Guy]

I don't want to see any more ex-Flames brought back via trade or free agent signings. Let's move forward.

[bluloc]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Who the #### are our best players? Seems like it's filled with lazy unmotivated garbage. I'd trade this team in for a bag of pucks. No excuses.