03-18-2013, 02:47 PM
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#121
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Originally Posted by pylon
I think you are being a massive dick here.
I have dealt with a lot of security guards and armored guards in my profession, and financed many of them. Many of them make a very decent living, and are good people. I have had guys doing it as practical experience while they are waiting for their recruiting class to start at CPS. I have had some that do it to see if they are cut out for law enforcement. Many are ex-military guys, that have protected your freedom abroad, some have been guys in between jobs. I even gad one guy that was a retired Chemical Engineer that was bored.
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Great post Pylon.
I fell into the bolded part of your post when I worked security at the Foothills Hospital - it takes a special breed to do police/security work. ####ty hours, no respect, dealing with scumbags all the time.
Unfortunately not all the 'special breeds' are the noble ones. During my year and a half at the foothills we got a lot of good guys who wanted to police and a lot of them ended doing just that; but some were total Cop nuts who didn't have half a brain or a stable psyche to go along with it. Numerous guys came to that job thinking it would be a great place to power trip and get their beat on.
I'm not sure which group these guys fall into but I bet it's pieces of both. It takes a lot of patience to have guys spit, scream and punch at you - the 99% of the guys who can have it roll off their back never end up on youtube.
Last edited by Coys1882; 03-18-2013 at 02:49 PM.
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03-18-2013, 04:00 PM
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#122
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Originally Posted by Coys1882
Great post Pylon.
I fell into the bolded part of your post when I worked security at the Foothills Hospital - it takes a special breed to do police/security work. ####ty hours, no respect, dealing with scumbags all the time.
Unfortunately not all the 'special breeds' are the noble ones. During my year and a half at the foothills we got a lot of good guys who wanted to police and a lot of them ended doing just that; but some were total Cop nuts who didn't have half a brain or a stable psyche to go along with it. Numerous guys came to that job thinking it would be a great place to power trip and get their beat on.
I'm not sure which group these guys fall into but I bet it's pieces of both. It takes a lot of patience to have guys spit, scream and punch at you - the 99% of the guys who can have it roll off their back never end up on youtube.
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Having worked in security for a few years,and been apart of numerous arrests, I have never ended up on youtube. I have also never given kidney shots to a person I was arresting. It is very useful to have 3 or 4 people participate in the arrest. The reason for that many people is to get the subject under control as quickly and safely as possible. Once they are cuffed,that is usually the end of the arrest and than check for injury.
I have no idea what went on here but I do find it very unprofessional to walk up and yell at the subject after he has been subdued.
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03-18-2013, 04:11 PM
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#123
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What is, and what would need to have happened for the cops to deem it fit to give him a trespassing summons?
He was asked to leave the mall but refused?
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The man – who has identified himself as Dan Doussept of Calgary on his Facebook page – received a trespassing summons from the Calgary Police Service, the spokeswoman confirmed.
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http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/cr...756/story.html
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03-18-2013, 04:27 PM
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#124
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Chinook Centre staff ‘deeply troubled’ by YouTube video of security guard violence
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Chinook Centre staff deeply troubled by the potential PR and financial hit.
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03-18-2013, 04:31 PM
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#125
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I believe it is as simple as being asked to leave by a representative of the property. In this case it is security. Not leaving can result in being physically removed from property (perfectly legal). Resisting being removed from property is called Assault by Trespasser and is a criminal offense (section 41 or 42 iirc) charged under the assault section of the Criminal Code.
Not leaving property after being legally asked to do so ultimately means you are trespassing and can be arrested under the Trespass to Premises Act of Alberta.
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03-18-2013, 04:32 PM
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#126
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Arrested by who?
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03-18-2013, 04:38 PM
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#127
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Originally Posted by Bagor
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(b) does not leave the premises immediately after he or she is directed to do so by the occupier of the premises or a person authorized by the occupier
Obviously you need to know the whole story but if he was leaving and the coffee cup thing set them off then I think it is a bit of a stretch to say he wasn't leaving in an orderly fashion. The other possibility is the person was previously banned from the mall.
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03-18-2013, 04:39 PM
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#128
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For trespassing,in this case security. But it is only a citizens arrest. In a trespassing case, it would be considered an offense on and in relation to ones property. Since security is handed responsibility for the companies property,they assume the authority to conduct the arrest.
In an assault case, that is just finds committing an indictable offense and is also a citizen arrest.
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03-18-2013, 04:40 PM
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#129
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Originally Posted by zamler
Chinook Centre staff deeply troubled by the potential PR and financial hit.
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PR damage is already done.
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03-18-2013, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by transplant99
I still believe there has to be more to this story that will come out in due time...both chinook and the security company along with CPS are investigating things.
That being said...who carries scissors with them? Seriously....maybe young kids for school along with their elmers glue and pencil case, but beyond that? If someone is packing scissors as an adult, I suspect it is because of ill intentions....though i guess that will come out in the wash as well.
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Has anyone thought that maybe he went to the mall to buy some scissors, and those are the ones he had with him? You know... in a bag? With a receipt?
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03-18-2013, 05:09 PM
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This is the top story on Global. They had a quick interview with the guy. I can't find a link on Global's site, but I'm sure it'll be there soon.
They'll recap the story at 6, I'm sure.
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03-18-2013, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ
This is the top story on Global. They had a quick interview with the guy. I can't find a link on Global's site, but I'm sure it'll be there soon.
They'll recap the story at 6, I'm sure.
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What did the guy say?
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03-18-2013, 05:33 PM
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He thanked mall security for handling things in a professional manner, and apologized for buying the scissors.
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03-18-2013, 05:59 PM
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#134
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03-18-2013, 06:20 PM
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As was mentioned already, the security guards often deal with the same trash over and over. This guy may have been banned previously, and who knows for what.
Although capable of causing serious trauma, scissors make poor weapons. Is a scissor more likely a tool for commiting crimes? Perhaps for cutting security cables?
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03-18-2013, 06:25 PM
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#136
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Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ
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The guy looks exactly like I expected him to.
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03-18-2013, 06:29 PM
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#137
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In the video they say he claims the scissors are for cutting marijuana, which the police also seized a small amount of.
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03-18-2013, 06:37 PM
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#138
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Originally Posted by zamler
Chinook Centre staff deeply troubled by the potential PR and financial hit.
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Hell, I'm going to have to go and spend more money at that mall. I'm all for beating up on people that look like that! Voting with my dollars, yo! 
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03-18-2013, 06:43 PM
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#139
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pylon
It depends. Will you be brandishing scissors and screaming at an ashtray?
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I think I can either do one, or the other......
As for the perp - neck tatties, and wearing what appears to be a Marilyn Manson shirt with Marilyn holding what appears to be a gun. That look will encourage some sympathy.
As for chinook taking a pr/financial hit - ha ha ha, this event will be forgotten in a week.......
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03-18-2013, 06:44 PM
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#140
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Originally Posted by valo403
I don't know that they have elevators, but that sounds like something that would be perfectly acceptable at Marlborough Mall. Don't forget to hit the Sbarro in the food court.
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Literally hit it, you might have to fight back.
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