I once received a ticket for parking in an accessible parking stall, at Chinook Mall, because my placard registration number didn't match my licence plate number. I had some news for them, the placard is registered separately then the car, no one (in Alberta AFAIK) has a matching placard and license plate number. Why wasn't every other car using the accessible parking ticketed for the same thing? Idiots.
A Chinook Centre official says their security teams did have to remove a man from the mall on Saturday night, but they are working to sort out the details.
The only thing officials are saying about the incident is that the suspect had a pair of scissors.
That is the dealbreak right there. He was brandishing scissors with malicious intent...
The generalities some people here are making regarding security guards and rent-a-cops are very interesting. You see, I have to walk past them every day- see them at malls, office buildings, parking lots even. In all the years of walking past them though, I can't say I have been given enough info to form a negative, or positive, opinion on them. They are really just there in the background for me. I have never had to have any interaction with them. I mind my business and act like a grown ass adult, and they leave me alone.
So, I'm curious how many run ins some posters on here have had with security guards and rent-a-cops to actually generate so many stereotypes??
The generalities some people here are making regarding security guards and rent-a-cops are very interesting. You see, I have to walk past them every day- see them at malls, office buildings, parking lots even. In all the years of walking past them though, I can't say I have been given enough info to form a negative, or positive, opinion on them. They are really just there in the background for me. I have never had to have any interaction with them. I mind my business and act like a grown ass adult, and they leave me alone.
So, I'm curious how many run ins some posters on here have had with security guards and rent-a-cops to actually generate so many stereotypes??
Mine is anecdotal from working at a mall for 5 years while I was in school. I have never had negative dealing with security guards but you interact with them when you work at the same place.
2 guys who were dickheads and bullies at my highschool went on to be security guards at chinook.
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So the guy is an escalator sitter, and a litterbug, and he was packing sissors. Who goes to the mall with this kind of intent. My questions are, what angle was his hat at? I am guessing it was tilted off to the side. And I will bet the collar of his shirt was popped.
I have been to the mall in question many times, and have never been pummelled by security, but that makes sense because I have never done any of this crap the perp pulled.
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It must be really hard to perpetuate such ignorance in every post you make. The security guards that I have seen and the ones who were the bullies and they take that job so they can continue to be a giant ###### to people on a daily basis.
Bulling is a huge ####ing problem and statements like the one you make are absolutely ridiculous. The "losers" who get bullied in school? At least we know what kind of an ####### ######bag you were in highschool. Keep fighting the good fight.
haha, I love this post. You seemingly don't get mad at him for making a stupid broad sweeping generalization... but are upset because he made the wrong sweeping broad generalization.
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haha, I love this post. You seemingly don't get mad at him for making a stupid broad sweeping generalization... but are upset because he made the wrong sweeping broad generalization.
I was upset at the statement that people who were bullied in school are losers.
As I said in a previous post, 2 of the bullies from my highschool went on to become mall security. That was were my observation of who becomes mall security was from. My post would have probably been better with that statement but I am not going to change it now.
Obviously something happened more than the wave or there is no way it would have got to that.
It is probable that whatever it was did not warrant that kind of response, but I can imagine a a couple circumstances where it might, like buddy attacked them with the scissors and then kept fighting while they were trying to disarm him. Even then, though, the guards are likely in the wrong.
edit: Watched the video again, and I realized that the only thing way out of line was the one guy in the jacket who was punching him. Everything else (mostly just holding him down) seemed pretty on par with them trying to get the cuffs on some guy who is flailing around violently, which it is obvious what is happening. Once the cuffs are on him, they leave him alone.
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It looks to me like both parties acted like goofs. The thing is the security guards are supposedly paid professionals, escalated the situation and so end up looking like the ###### bags.
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Obviously something happened more than the wave or there is no way it would have got to that.
It is probable that whatever it was did not warrant that kind of response, but I can imagine a a couple circumstances where it might, like buddy attacked them with the scissors and then kept fighting while they were trying to disarm him. Even then, though, the guards are likely in the wrong.
No, they are not. If the man was in fact threatening them with scissors then that changes the threat to serious injury or bodily harm in the Use Of Force manual which allows the kind of force demonstrated there in the video. A police officer in the same situation would be justified in pulling his firearm and shooting him so if that is the case he is probably lucky it was a group of rent a cops. Cannot say I condone the idiot who throws those punches though. Not enough details here though. If the guy is telling the truth and he just waived to them and they tackled him then those guards are in trouble. If he swung and punched one of them in the face and they wrestled him down and held him there for the police then only the moron throwing the punches is possibly in trouble. If he brought out scissors and threatened them he is lucky he only got what he did.
Towards the end one guy had to brush away two other security guards who seemingly wanted a piece too. One guy got up and yelled like a mad men when buddy said his shoulder hurt, he was told to "walk away" by the sane guy. Then later on another guy came screaming in and was held back quickly by the same guy.
Nearly every inch of that mall is under CCTV. You can barely take a crap without someone watching you.
I am very interested to know some of the background.
I also love the "rent-a-cop" comments. I have dealt with many different security set ups in Calgary and Red Deer. Chinook is far and away the most professional set up I have come across.
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Having scissors on you, although a bit odd, and threatening someone with scissors are two entirely different cases.
It doesn't seem like there's really anything to suggest that the suspect threatened anyone with the scissors in the news reports. Even in the video when it's asked why they are doing that to him a security guard responds that he hit him in his head (which the suspect denies) yet no one brought up the scissors. Now if the conversation was closer to this:
"Why are you doing this to me?"
"Cause you ####en tried to stab us with those scissors!"
"Oh, yeah"
Maybe I would put some stock into the crazed-scissor-maniac theory but I'm leaning more towards him just happening to have them on him. Also, if he did threaten a security guard with scissors, why would no charges be laid? I mean, sure there's time and all but just seems odd.
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Having scissors on you, although a bit odd, and threatening someone with scissors are two entirely different cases.
It doesn't seem like there's really anything to suggest that the suspect threatened anyone with the scissors in the news reports. Even in the video when it's asked why they are doing that to him a security guard responds that he hit him in his head (which the suspect denies) yet no one brought up the scissors. Now if the conversation was closer to this:
"Why are you doing this to me?"
"Cause you ####en tried to stab us with those scissors!"
"Oh, yeah"
Maybe I would put some stock into the crazed-scissor-maniac theory but I'm leaning more towards him just happening to have them on him. Also, if he did threaten a security guard with scissors, why would no charges be laid? I mean, sure there's time and all but just seems odd.
I still believe there has to be more to this story that will come out in due time...both chinook and the security company along with CPS are investigating things.
That being said...who carries scissors with them? Seriously....maybe young kids for school along with their elmers glue and pencil case, but beyond that? If someone is packing scissors as an adult, I suspect it is because of ill intentions....though i guess that will come out in the wash as well.
And honestly, I have to think the officer doesn't actually know how hard it is to stab someone with an actual sharpened knife, never mind a flimsy pair of scissors. It takes a shocking amount of force to actually stab someone.
