Chinook Centre's Security - Highly Aggressive? You decide.

[zamler]

After a quick search, it appears that a security guard has the same powers to arrest and search as any citizen. So if they do arrest you, they are making a citizens arrest.

Don't take that as correct though, what I read could be wrong or out dated.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Chinook employs Paladin Security, and they are used all over the city. I see them nearly everywhere, it seems.

I can't recall to be honest if Chinook used their own employees when I was dealing with them. I am speaking to the policy/proceedures in place.

Cadillac Fairview owns (or did own) both Chinook and Market Mall. The two places were run completely different when it came to security. Chinook was well run, Market Mall....well that is another story.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

One would assume that if they were of sufficient physical state and mental acumen, that they would be actual cops, rather than out of shape and/or too-dumb-for-traffic-detail mall cops.

One could also assume that when you do things like sit on escalators, yell at security guards, throw coffee cups, and kicked out of a mall, that this individual was not of sufficient mental acumen.

But that would be presumptuous.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

One could also assume that when you do things like sit on escalators, yell at security guards, throw coffee cups, and kicked out of a mall, that this individual was not of sufficient mental acumen.
But that would be presumptuous.

Hey now, I wasn't even commenting on the situation at hand, but rather a comment about mall cops. Your rage is ill-directed.

As for this situation, I'd like to see how it shakes out before coming to a conclusion one way or another.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Burninator

So what is the law for security guards? Can they even physically detain people?

Depending on the circumstances under the Trespass To Property Act they can.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I can't recall to be honest if Chinook used their own employees when I was dealing with them. I am speaking to the policy/proceedures in place.

The reports say they employ Paladin. If Chinook used it's own staff, then why would Paladin need to do an investigation into this?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Minnie

The reports say they employ Paladin. If Chinook used it's own staff, then why would Paladin need to do an investigation into this?

Errm, I meant during me dealings with them, which was as mentioned 5 yrs or so ago. That being said, the security department management was CF employees. They set the policy/procedure for the mall.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Hey now, I wasn't even commenting on the situation at hand, but rather a comment about mall cops. Your rage is ill-directed.

As for this situation, I'd like to see how it shakes out before coming to a conclusion one way or another.

No offence, but it seems you have already made conclusions about the "rent-a-cops".

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

No offence, but it seems you have already made conclusions about the "rent-a-cops".

I have many conclusions on 31-year old wastes of space who annoy the #### out of people in malls as well, I just hadn't responded to any posts about that particular subject yet.

You guys sure are quick to seek arguments.

[Robbob]

Chinook used to be in house.

Back in the day I toiled as a security guard. From what I remember security was given care and control of the property which allowed that to arrest any criminal activity (summary or indictable). Unless it has changed a citizen back then could only arrest for indictable offenses (come to think of it, I vaguely remember hearing that it did change).

Bottom line you have to check your ego at the door or else you are looking for problems. If the guy is leaving the property you have to just walk away. Unless there is more to the story it looks like they jumped the gun for sure because waving/fingering or tossing a coffee cup isn't really grounds for arresting and detaining someone. Especially with that much force.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

It must be really hard to perpetuate such ignorance in every post you make. The security guards that I have seen and the ones who were the bullies and they take that job so they can continue to be a giant ###### to people on a daily basis.

Bulling is a huge ####ing problem and statements like the one you make are absolutely ridiculous. The "losers" who get bullied in school? At least we know what kind of an ####### ######bag you were in highschool. Keep fighting the good fight.

Hahahaha Yeah we should all bow down to the ignorant man with a pedophile avatar.

I can't take you serious with that avatar I really can't.

As for the losers that are mall cops, They aren't losers because they were bullied, try having a grasp of reading comprehension. They are losers because they take out their loser attitude on other people and try making themselves feel better.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I have many conclusions on 31-year old wastes of space who annoy the #### out of people in malls as well, I just hadn't responded to any posts about that particular subject yet.

You guys sure are quick to seek arguments.

Thank you for the clarification. I wasn't trying to pick a fight.

[CaramonLS]

Just in case anyone decides to fight cops or security in the future, here is a tip:

When you are on your back and they're trying to put cuffs on you, stop moving. It is a pretty easy way to stop yourself from getting punched, kicked, held down, etc.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Chinook used to be in house.

Back in the day I toiled as a security guard. From what I remember security was given care and control of the property which allowed that to arrest any criminal activity (summary or indictable). Unless it has changed a citizen back then could only arrest for indictable offenses (come to think of it, I vaguely remember hearing that it did change).

Bottom line you have to check your ego at the door or else you are looking for problems. If the guy is leaving the property you have to just walk away. Unless there is more to the story it looks like they jumped the gun for sure because waving/fingering or tossing a coffee cup isn't really grounds for arresting and detaining someone. Especially with that much force.

Thanks I thought that was the case.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Rent-a-cops are always the losers that got bullied in school and in life so they try to become someone important but they don't realize they have no more rights than a regular citizen has.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

As for the losers that are mall cops, They aren't losers because they were bullied, try having a grasp of reading comprehension. They are losers because they take out their loser attitude on other people and try making themselves feel better.

That seems a little revisionist perhaps? Pardon my reading comprehension in advance, English is one of four languages that I have rattling around in my head.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

As for the losers that are mall cops, They aren't losers because they were bullied, try having a grasp of reading comprehension. They are losers because they take out their loser attitude on other people and try making themselves feel better.

What is funny is you guys are arguing who made the broader sweeping statement. I call it a tie, you guys both made stupid sweeping statements that are based on no facts.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Hahahaha Yeah we should all bow down to the ignorant man with a pedophile avatar.

I can't take you serious with that avatar I really can't.

As for the losers that are mall cops, They aren't losers because they were bullied, try having a grasp of reading comprehension. They are losers because they take out their loser attitude on other people and try making themselves feel better.

I have seen it a number of times, but yeah there is a good portion that are completely disillusioned abusing their so called power. IMO it was over compensation being labeled the rent-a-cop/mall cop. It did kind of make you shake your head knowing that they wanted to be cops.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

What is funny is you guys are arguing who made the broader sweeping statement. I call it a tie, you guys both made stupid sweeping statements that are based on no facts.

What? who's arguing that?

[Canuck-Hater]

Excessive force for sure, I don't care what he did or didn't do. To me it just looks like an excuse to beat someone up. The amount of security guards on top of him was a little much. They ask the guy to put his hands behind his back. How exactly? Its impossible when you got 5 guys holding you down.

[albertGQ]

Do security guards make that much money that they have this superior mentality?