I still believe there has to be more to this story that will come out in due time...both chinook and the security company along with CPS are investigating things.
That being said...who carries scissors with them? Seriously....maybe young kids for school along with their elmers glue and pencil case, but beyond that? If someone is packing scissors as an adult, I suspect it is because of ill intentions....though i guess that will come out in the wash as well.
Do we know what kind of scissors we're talking about here? I agree it would be suspicious if he was walking around with something like this:
But there's nothing strange or abnormal about someone carrying a pocket tool with scissors like the below:
I'm confused as to why they detained him in the first place.
One would presume if they had grounds/suspicion to detain/restrain him then there would be a good chance of him being further detained by the cops (eg shoplifting, brandishing a weapon)?
Surely the first question the cops asked security was the reason for detaining him?
The punches thrown at the guy by the sixth guard were so gratuitous. It looked almost as if that rent-a-cop thought that since there's so few actual incidents like this, he better get his few shots in while he can. Takes a special kind of loser whose actually looking for opportunities to present themselves to get violent.
Also echo the thoughts of other posters who agree with me that a 31-year old dude should be grown up enough that he's not even involved with an altercation with mall cops.
Do we know what kind of scissors we're talking about here? I agree it would be suspicious if he was walking around with something like this:
But there's nothing strange or abnormal about someone carrying a pocket tool with scissors like the below:
True, but I'm sure they'd be saying that he had a knife if it was one of those multi-tools. It's a fairly safe bet that he had scissors for cutting up weed.
When I worked security a couple years ago, we were told to never touch anyone unless you were in immediate danger. We had full training on how to deal with dangerous people, we had stab-proof vests, hand cuffs, some guys had pepper spray but you were never allowed to use it. All that stuff is to maintain your own safety and not to apprehend someone. Your not allowed to chase someone either. You can maintain a safe walking distance until police arrive but if the person runs, you have to let them go.
In most cases that I've seen the "failed cop" label can be applied. A lot of the guys thought they were some authority figure one step below the police when in reality the only difference between them and a regular person is the uniform. Like most bouncers I've seen they only tend to fight when they have greater numbers too. A security guard is just supposed to be a visual deterent, if anything major happens you call the cops.
I would be suprised if some of these guys aren't fired or have their licenses revoked.
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I also love the "rent-a-cop" comments. I have dealt with many different security set ups in Calgary and Red Deer. Chinook is far and away the most professional set up I have come across.
One would assume that if they were of sufficient physical state and mental acumen, that they would be actual cops, rather than out of shape and/or too-dumb-for-traffic-detail mall cops.
Here's another one from March 12th at Marlborough Mall
I don't care whether you are an actual honest police officer or some 2-bit minimum wage wash-up rentacop, demanding that people not film you while performing your "duty" is a huge red flag.
One would assume that if they were of sufficient physical state and mental acumen, that they would be actual cops, rather than out of shape and/or too-dumb-for-traffic-detail mall cops.
What happens when you assume?
Sometimes broad brush statements aren't always the best. I can only speak from my experiences, perhaps you are also speaking from yours?
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I don't care whether you are an actual honest police officer or some 2-bit minimum wage wash-up rentacop, demanding that people not film you while performing your "duty" is a huge red flag.
I love the guy in the white shirt on top. He is way more concerned about the guy video taping then the guy he's trying to get under control. Yelling at him they need his ID right away.
Rent-a-cops are always the losers that got bullied in school and in life so they try to become someone important
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Bulling is a huge ####ing problem and statements like the one you make are absolutely ridiculous. The "losers" who get bullied in school? At least we know what kind of an ####### ######bag you were in highschool. Keep fighting the good fight.
This is one of the interesting things I've noticed whilst casually "stalking" on facebook and other social media.
Many (most) of the bullied social underclass from school seem to have turned out and done pretty well for themselves. The bullies and pretentious chicks really flamed out - some VERY badly. Small sample size for sure, but something I found amusing.
Sometimes broad brush statements aren't always the best. I can only speak from my experiences, perhaps you are also speaking from yours?
Well obviously. In my brash youth I worked at a mall for about 3 years or so, and in that time I saw one guy get arrested for shoplifting, one guy get fired for kicking a sleeping hobo and breaking 2 of his ribs, and one guy get fired for grabbing the ass (not consensually) of a 17 year old girl who worked there.
Well obviously. In my brash youth I worked at a mall for about 3 years or so, and in that time I saw one guy get arrested for shoplifting, one guy get fired for kicking a sleeping hobo and breaking 2 of his ribs, and one guy get fired for grabbing the ass (not consensually) of a 17 year old girl who worked there.
Was that at Chinook?
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Captain James P. DeCOSTE, CD, 18 Sep 1993
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"Packing" scissors? The Americans on this board must be laughing, in the USA the security guards would have probably shot the guy and then planted a handgun on him.
C'mon Canada, get more gangsta!
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Chinook is far and away the most professional set up I have come across.
Chinook employs Paladin Security, and they are used all over the city. I see them nearly everywhere, it seems.
ETA: regarding the scissors, I used to keep a small pair in an inside pocket of my jacket. They were little though - and folded up. I used them when I was doing some needlework for a gift - I kept forgetting them at home when I needed them so I just bought an extra pair and kept them in my jacket.
I'll amend - if the guy was threatening them with the scissors, then he needs to take his punishment. I don't however, think what seems to be little more than gratuitous punching, needs to happen. If they just happened to find the scissors in there after the fact (taking him down) and are trying to use that as justification for their actions, then I hope the guy files charges against them. They do take it too far, or there wouldn't have been the most recent court action against the guard from ACH.
