[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[MikeMc]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

You can't possibly be that short sighted. You realize that his salary is going to increase each contract if you want to keep him? You realize that you are setting a salary structure with that contract. If Baertschi scores 88 points to O'Reilly's 55 next year are you going to pay him $8M on his next contract??

I clearly can be that short sighted apparently.

If Baertschi ends up with 88 points (which no one knows will ever happen and he hasn't shown a flicker of yet), that contract issue is a good problem to have.

You essentially have too many solid players and not enough money (you have a solid point producing player who you now have to figure out how to keep). That's a Chicago Blackhawk problem. Calgary Flames problems over the last 5 years are typically completely different, i.e. trying to figure out what fringe players to add to the aging core or what players we can attempt to rebuild into actual productive players.

I'll take this problem in a couple years over our current problems and over imaginary prospects/imaginary draft position.

[kyuss275]

Had a thought about the huge QO:

Is it hard to believe that the flames and OREilly camp have already talked about signing an extension this summer?

I wouldn't be surprised to see him sign a 4-5 year $20-25 million extension on July 1st. The cap hit would be $5 million. I think he is going to be a 2nd line selke winning center. Thats not that bad,

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by polak

No but we could have traded Iggy and/or Kipper which a) would have got us more picks/young players and b) would increase the odds of top 5 pick.

Now that is off the table and Iggy and Kipper aren't getting any more valuable.

This is a bad move.

I'd take a top 10 pick (minimun) and the return from Iggy and/or Kipper this season (assuming Kipper gets it together after injury) over O'Reily any day of the week.

Now we're either losing Jarome for nothing or extending him.

Your issue isn't with this move then, it's with the general direction.

It's pretty clear that's not the route that's being taken, so you should probably come to terms with it.

Regardless, the point you're not getting stands: Adding one of the best young defensive centres in the game (22 years old) is a huge piece of rebuilding regardless how you feel about keeping Iginla etc.

This is very much a move that helps the future and our cupboard of current prospects.

[Rapidfire999]

Originally Posted by Miniac

Hate to bust your bubble but can't see that happening. Especially Iggy

That's what you want to think.. It'd be stupid to keep them especially when we need to rebuild now if we miss the playoffs AGAIN

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He's going to be an elite two way centrmen in this league. The only question is where does his offence top out.

Personally, I think he can be a 60 point guy.

If he's a 60 point guy who plays all situations, tough to argue with the price of a 1st and 3rd. That said, he already is a 55 point guy who plays all situations and is absolutely a late bloomer so tough to read his ceiling.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Hopefully the Flames can use the draft pick on a guy that gets 50+ points by the age of 21.

I know what you're saying here MMF, but one of the problems with the Flames is that they have very few players living up to or out performing their contracts.

Good teams have numerous players like that. The best way to get those types of players are drafting them yourself.

By signing a deal like this, you've painted yourself into yet another corner.

[Husky]

Ill put it this way. RoR 2 way game is very comparable to Bergeron in Boston.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It actually should go without saying. This case is a little different since ROR and the Avs have a broken relationship, but system is designed such that you have to massively overpay to land an RFA because anything reasonable will be matched. O'Reilly is 22 years old. It is not likely he is ready to be a $6 million player next year while also being judged against whatever the first round pick turns out to be.

By definition, offer sheets carry a ridiculously high level of risk.

Just to be clear, is cap hit $5M with a salary of $6.5M next year?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by JJsChaos

So let me get this straight...

People in the forums are excited about getting a player that put up 2nd line points at best one time in his career, paying him 6.5 million dollars, and giving up a 1st and 3rd round pick that most likely will be Jones, Drouin, MacKinnon, Barkov, etc?

So that would leave us with a 4th and 6th round pick this year?

I've never felt so frustrated as a Flames fan in my life. I'm so jealous watching these teams with young, homegrown, dynamic players putting in effort, and entertaining the fans night after night. I know I'm doing a bit of right now, but I'm feeling super p'd right now.

The Oil still have to sign all that home grown first over all failed season/ talent. Their "D" day is coming

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by JJsChaos

So let me get this straight...

giving up a 1st and 3rd round pick that most likely will be Jones, Drouin, MacKinnon, Barkov, etc?
.

Sorry, you don't have it straight.

You are failing to get the chances we will end up with that high of a pick are unlikely at present, nevermind when adding Kipper and O'Reilly.

[keratosis]

I cheer for them full bore regardless. May not be impressed but cheer for them non the less.

[neo45]

Who do you guys think the Flames are going to take with their 4th, 6th, and 7th round picks?

[Fuji]

Feaster is DA BOMB.

[Bertuzzied]

hmmm it feels like deja vu. The last time the board was this excited was when we traded for Jokinen.... hehe

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by JJsChaos

So let me get this straight...

People in the forums are excited about getting a player that put up 2nd line points at best one time in his career, paying him 6.5 million dollars, and giving up a 1st and 3rd round pick that most likely will be Jones, Drouin, MacKinnon, Barkov, etc?

So that would leave us with a 4th and 6th round pick this year?

I've never felt so frustrated as a Flames fan in my life. I'm so jealous watching these teams with young, homegrown, dynamic players putting in effort, and entertaining the fans night after night. I know I'm doing a bit of right now, but I'm feeling super p'd right now.

Again, I'm trying to figure out where this 'most likely' bit is coming from? Why is it that it's likely the Flames bottom out with the return of Backlund and Kipper, addition of O'Reilly instead of the other way around?

[JayP]

Originally Posted by calgARI

The money is very concerning especially with the cap going down and the fact that they are basically tied to having to pay him that. I will say to the 19 goals, O'Reilly is absolutely a late bloomer. A second pick who had never put a PPG in OHL who makes the NHL at age 18 and puts up 55 at 21. A very mature, well-rounded game but it will hinge upon how much offensive upside he has. Definite late-bloomer.

The good thing is that he doesn't have to develop much more offensively to be a top flight centre.

If he gets in that 65 point range he's as good as they come. There's only a handful of guys that put up those numbers against the other team's top lines and starting their shifts in the defensive zone more often than not (Kesler, Bergeron, etc.) - and they almost always play on winning teams.

If the Flames are intent on riding out Iginla until he retires having a "second" line centered by a centre like O'Reilly is the only way to do it. Pair him with Glencross and Stempniak and let them chew up the tough minutes while still producing.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Your issue isn't with this move then, it's with the general direction.

It's pretty clear that's not the route that's being taken, so you should probably come to terms with it.

Regardless, the point you're not getting stands: Adding one of the best young defensive centres in the game (22 years old) is a huge piece of rebuilding regardless how you feel about keeping Iginla etc.

This is very much a move that helps the future and our cupboard of current prospects.

Well I guess this move specifically, is a decent move if you ignore our whole situation. I'm frustrated (extremely might I add. I f&%^ing hate the owners mentality) with this team because of what this move signals.

Also I'm not sold on the salary for a "decent" 2nd line center. It's not like this guy has shown that he is guaranteed to be a great player.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Rapidfire999

That's what you want to think.. It'd be stupid to keep them especially when we need to rebuild now if we miss the playoffs AGAIN

Dude, they just gave away the 1st and 3rd round picks and you're still talking rebuild.

It's not happening, it's never happening until Iginla retires, accept it.

[EddyBeers]

I am sure O'Reilly will be a Flame in 7 days, this is too good of an opportunity to pass up for the Avs. It has the very realistic potential to be the sequel to the Kessel trade.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I know what you're saying here MMF, but one of the problems with the Flames is that they have very few players living up to or out performing their contracts.

Good teams have numerous players like that. The best way to get those types of players are drafting them yourself.

By signing a deal like this, you've painted yourself into yet another corner.

Good point and argument but when you are so thin at one position and a situation like this comes up, I say Bravo Feasters!!!