NFL player anti gay comments

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Nobody is saying they would. My point is, it would be an awkward situation to be in close proximity to a naked person who might find you sexually attractive when you do not reciprocate those feelings.

Yeah bro, like, next thing you know he might ask if he can wash your body off, or he might stand really close to you to smell you or something.

Adults act like adults I guarantee you that no gay person is even entertaining the thought of making a sexual advance on you. Did you grow up playing or still play hockey? At some point you showered next to a gay person, how awkward did you feel? Must be really awkward to read their thoughts and be able to know they're sexually attracted to you and nothing you can do about it but be a victim.

[AR_Six]

Actually some of the posts in here are more cringe-inducing than anything in the "unpopular opinion" thread, so congrats everybody.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

Yeah bro, like, next thing you know he might ask if he can wash your body off, or he might stand really close to you to smell you or something.

Adults act like adults I guarantee you that no gay person is even entertaining the thought of making a sexual advance on you. Did you grow up playing or still play hockey? At some point you showered next to a gay person, how awkward did you feel? Must be really awkward to read their thoughts and be able to know they're sexually attracted to you and nothing you can do about it but be a victim.

And if they are that's an issue with that individual, it's not a gay/straight thing, it's a 'this person has issues' thing.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Frankster

I think there is some green text missing in that post...

Originally Posted by valo403

And if they are that's an issue with that individual, it's not a gay/straight thing, it's a 'this person has issues' thing.

Emptyquoting these because everyone seems to be out to lunch on the reality of the situation.

[Kev]

Blah, blah, blah, the media is always looking for drama. This is a sexual choice that people don't have to accept. It's not policially incorrect to disagree with it as much as some people may think it is.

And please...don't even compare this to a racial slur because the two are eons apart in the severity.

If my neighbor's gets off with vegetables, that's his choice, and if I don't agree with it, I have the right to say so.

This football player, as low on the intellectual food chain as he is, obviously doesn't like the idea of two guys mushing their junk together, and he said it.

Better call his mom and tell...

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Kev

Blah, blah, blah, the media is always looking for drama. This is a sexual choice that people don't have to accept. It's not policially incorrect to disagree with it as much as some people may think it is.

So when did you decide to be attracted to women?

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Kev

Blah, blah, blah, the media is always looking for drama. This is a sexual choice that people don't have to accept. It's not policially incorrect to disagree with it as much as some people may think it is.

And please...don't even compare this to a racial slur because the two are eons apart in the severity.

If my neighbor's gets off with vegetables, that's his choice, and if I don't agree with it, I have the right to say so.

This football player, as low on the intellectual food chain as he is, obviously doesn't like the idea of two guys mushing their junk together, and he said it.

Better call his mom and tell...

Dude... are you implying that you do not agree with homosexuality? Should I assume that you agree with heterosexuality?

...if you are having arguments with terms inside your head, that should be evidence enough that you desperately need to see a shrink.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by The Big Thirsty

Do you walk around naked and shower together at those co-ed tournaments. I highly doubt it.

Given it's rec league most don't shower anyways as you sit around waiting for the next game or go back to the hotel room to shower.

But in the end, I'm not sure how showering is somehow different than getting your gear on. At some point you're naked. Guy or girl you are at some point topless, bottomless or both.


Men and women can be around each other naked without embarassment, fear of someone checking them out etc. Seriously, North Americans really need to get over the whole nudity thing. it isn't any sort of big deal in many many many many countries yet in North America and the especially the States it's something shameful and taboo.


And when you add homosexuality to the mix in the States well then watch out! At a group lunch a few weeks ago we got to talking about good restaurants in the area. i brought up an excellent burger place and one guy seriously says this "Yes. The burger was one of the best I've ever had. The fries are awesome. The service was great BUT the waiter was obviously gay so I don't think i could go back there." My jaw dropped. Funny thing, as I waited for the rest of my party to arrive at this place some days later, I chatted to the "obviously gay waiter" for a good 20 minutes and somehow I didn't catch the gay.

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by ernie

Men and women can be around each other naked without embarassment, fear of someone checking them out etc. Seriously, North Americans really need to get over the whole nudity thing. it isn't any sort of big deal in many many many many countries yet in North America and the especially the States it's something shameful and taboo.

This is a reasonable argument. But if people defend having men and women separate, then it isn't a reach to put gay and non gay in a similar light (as far as change rooms).

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Kev

This is a sexual choice that people don't have to accept. It's not policially incorrect to disagree with it as much as some people may think it is.

Well, it's not a choice, so you're already wrong. Secondly, I couldn't give a crap about political correctness, it's about treating people as you'd want to be treated. It's as inappropriate to say a gay teammate wouldn't be welcomed as it would be for a gay person to say the same about a straight teammate.

Originally Posted by Kev

And please...don't even compare this to a racial slur because the two are eons apart in the severity.

Why? What makes this not as severe? Why would this be worse if it was about a 'white' teammate versus a 'gay' teammate? Because you're okay with one and not the other?

Originally Posted by Kev

If my neighbor's gets off with vegetables, that's his choice, and if I don't agree with it, I have the right to say so.

Are you high? You're equating human relationships and the pursuit of love and happiness with masturbating with vegetables. Please tell me you're trolling.

Originally Posted by Kev

This football player, as low on the intellectual food chain as he is, obviously doesn't like the idea of two guys mushing their junk together, and he said it.

Why do the anti-gay crowd always bring up this meaningless point? Yeah, he said it. He's within his rights to do so. And now we're criticizing him for it / marginalizing him as someone who is on the wrong side of history for his opinions, and we're within our rights to do so.

You can have your opinions, but you being allowed to voice them requires you to respect that everyone else has the same right and their opinions of your opinions might not be favourable.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

This is a reasonable argument. But if people defend having men and women separate, then it isn't a reach to put gay and non gay in a similar light (as far as change rooms).

So wait, gay men are women now? Because I think gender separation re: changerooms/washrooms goes beyond sexual preference. Though on that note, I don't think there's any chance of men or women being raped by their gay counterparts in the lockerroom at the leisure centre.

[polak]

There was a gay guy that liked me at one of my jobs in High School...

It definitely made me uncomfortable when I was working with him alone. I guess it'd be the samething if it was a girl that I really didn't think was attractive at all though.

However If he didn't like me or whatever then I'd treat him the same way as anyone else. Well, I'd probably be annoyed by how flamboyent he was but thats a personality thing and not to do with the fact that he was gay.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

Yeah bro, like, next thing you know he might ask if he can wash your body off, or he might stand really close to you to smell you or something.

Adults act like adults I guarantee you that no gay person is even entertaining the thought of making a sexual advance on you. Did you grow up playing or still play hockey? At some point you showered next to a gay person, how awkward did you feel? Must be really awkward to read their thoughts and be able to know they're sexually attracted to you and nothing you can do about it but be a victim.

So are you ok with showering with your buddy's girlfriend in a non sexual situation? Or can you see where someone might feel uncomfortable doing that?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So are you ok with showering with your buddy's girlfriend in a non sexual situation? Or can you see where someone might feel uncomfortable doing that?

I think this comparison is off. If you're showering next to a buddy's girlfriend you likely arent uncomfortable because theres a (presumably) attractive, naked lady next you, but because its your buddy's girlfriend and you would feel like it was a betrayal to your friend.

As far as standing next to a naked lady showering I would say my only fear is that of getting a boner. And when the rest of the room is filled with naked men, thats not a likely scenario.

So you got a gay guy in your locker room, what is the worst case scenario from a straight man's perspective. Probably that he hits on you. Which im sure you would reply with something along the lines of "Hey man, I'm not gay" to which the likely response would be "Oh, sorry". OH MAN gives me the heebie jeebies!

Look, if a guy is causing a problem by being gay because he's hitting on teammates the problem is not that he's gay, its that he's a crappy teammate.

[SeeBass]

We had this happen to our men's hockey team:

One player on our team was not out of the closet but we were all sure he was gay.

As a team we never discussed it or had a problem with it. He was a member of our team and a pretty nice guy so he was welcome.

But then...

One night out drinking with the team and the guy gets bombed and tells a couple of players on the team that he loves another player who was not there at the time. It was not a" luv you man" kinda expression more of "I LOVE him"

Now it is uncomfortable for the loved but straight, not interested guy. He didn't ask for this and now he has another person, who loves him, watching him undress. Yes we did notice him doing this and delaying his shower time to match the straight guy's too.
The following season he was not invited back, we didn't tell him why. We felt bad as he was just a confused young man at the time.
This was about 10 years ago now and I still wonder what we could/should have done different.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Now it is uncomfortable for the loved but straight, not interested guy. He didn't ask for this and now he has another person, who loves him, watching him undress. Yes we did notice him doing this and delaying his shower time to match the straight guy's too.
The following season he was not invited back, we didn't tell him why. We felt bad as he was just a confused young man at the time.
This was about 10 years ago now and I still wonder what we could/should have done different.

"Hey guy, being gay is all well and good, but this is a team. And teammates don't swing that way with each other gay, straight, man, woman whatever. Its not a team dynamic. So either move on from said straight guy or we're going to have relieve you from the team"

He probably thinks he was booted because he's gay, when thats not really the case. He got booted because he's in love with a teammate and wouldn't let it go. There's a difference.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I think this comparison is off. If you're showering next to a buddy's girlfriend you likely arent uncomfortable because theres a (presumably) attractive, naked lady next you, but because its your buddy's girlfriend and you would feel like it was a betrayal to your friend.

As far as standing next to a naked lady showering I would say my only fear is that of getting a boner. And when the rest of the room is filled with naked men, thats not a likely scenario.

So you got a gay guy in your locker room, what is the worst case scenario from a straight man's perspective. Probably that he hits on you. Which im sure you would reply with something along the lines of "Hey man, I'm not gay" to which the likely response would be "Oh, sorry". OH MAN gives me the heebie jeebies!

Look, if a guy is causing a problem by being gay because he's hitting on teammates the problem is not that he's gay, its that he's a crappy teammate.

I don't particularly disagree with anything you said. But can you see where people would be uncomfortable with that, where that is entirely reasonable, and why not wanting to be in that situation in a shower does not mean you're homophobic? (And not that im saying this is culliver's thought process)

[DuffMan]

I can't wait until the future when the social stigma of co-ed showers has long been forgotten. Just like in Starship Troopers.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I don't particularly disagree with anything you said. But can you see where people would be uncomfortable with that, where that is entirely reasonable, and why not wanting to be in that situation in a shower does not mean you're homophobic? (And not that im saying this is culliver's thought process)

I dunno. I think a guy who has made it to the point of top professional sports would be a professional in the dressing room and it wouldnt even be a concern. If the guy starting voicing his desire to bang team members that's different, but again that's not because he's gay, it's because he's not being a teammate/coworker and I think that's a different issue.

Even if you think a guy might be wanting it, I don't see it as a reason to freak out. Just because they want it doesn't mean they get it. Someone who isn't ok with that strikes me as a person who isn't comfortable with themselves. And that's not the gay guys problem. They whos chasing you around and timing showers needs to go. But again it's not because he's gay. Its because he's being inappropriate.

[BigBrodieFan]

My boss is a lesbian and we work out together every night at our gym at work. We then get in the shower, a two person shower, and sometimes we're in there at the same time, sometimes we're not. We proceed to walk around naked in the locker room until we get dressed. I never even though about it until I read this thread. I know her partner, she knows my husband, we're friends, and I could care less. Maybe guys are different.