NFL player anti gay comments

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by The Big Thirsty

And you don't think a bunch of young ripped athletes would meet gay guys standards? I took my wife's brother (who is gay) to the game last night, and we were talking about this very thread. I asked him if being in a pro locker room would make him a happy man. His response, " Let's put it this way, would being thrown in a shower with a bunch of Victoria Secrets Models make you a happy man?". That would make me a very happy man.

This world has become so politically correct its ridiculous. Me and you might not have any issue with it, but I can definitely see how some players in a locker room could potentially have an issue walking around naked and showering with a gay teammate. Culliver is an idiot and responded to the question as such, but to suggest there's not a potential issue seems quite flawed to me.

A Victoria's Secret model isn't the ideal body/face type for every straight man, just like a large/buff football player isn't the ideal for every gay man.

Some of them like 'em hairless, thin and wispy.

[mykalberta]

So he would prefer not to have homosexual men in the locker room?

Would heterosexual women prefer not to have share the same public bathrooms as heterosexual men?

I dont see a problem with it. I dont doubt at least a small number of professional athletes are homosexuals but they keep it to themselves because they have a very short window to earn the majority of their income. So they decided to get paid rather than rock the boat.

[allicat]

People should just start taking it as a compliment if a person of the same sex thinks you're attactive. Most people (other than creepers and criminals) won't act on it if you aren't interested (ie: they know you don't swing that way). I don't think any gay men are looking to get into pro sports for the romantic possibilities it could open up.

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

So he would prefer not to have homosexual men in the locker room?

Would heterosexual women prefer not to have share the same public bathrooms as heterosexual men?

I dont see a problem with it. I dont doubt at least a small number of professional athletes are homosexuals but they keep it to themselves because they have a very short window to earn the majority of their income. So they decided to get paid rather than rock the boat.

Quoted for posterity. Look at this guy who is ok with gay bashing.

What a dumb, stupid thing to say, and when you play for the 49ers where there is a huge gay community. People like him are the problem, it's not ok to say things like that and shrug it off like the poster mykalberta.

I know this might shock a lot of you but gay people are people too. They have restraint and priorities and they can go have a shower without the need to sexually assault someone, crazy I know.

[The Big Thirsty]

Originally Posted by valo403

And I assume you'd just go around grabbing tits and asses right? Because obviously that's what gay guys would do, so incapable of controlling themselves

No, but I would probably be caught glaring at them from time to time, and definitel can see how that could make some of them uncomfortable.

[GrrlGoalie33]

What many are forgetting in this situation is that these guys are professionals. Some of them choose to act more professional than others.

A gay guy who has made it to the NFL has showered in the same locker room as other buff and ripped guys for probably 10+ years. Despite what shows like Queer as Folk would have you believe, most gay guys don't need to check other guys out - ESPECIALLY in their place of work.

I would go so far as to suggest (based on my own locker room experiences as a gay woman) that many closeted pro players are more uncomfortable than most in the locker room because of their sexual preferences.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Frankster

I would go so far as to suggest (based on my own locker room experiences as a gay woman) that many closeted pro players are more uncomfortable than most in the locker room because of their sexual preferences.

Yeah, I have the same kind of feeling in locker rooms at the gym , and especially in the locker room for high school gym class.

[The Ditch]

I also find it funny how some of your arguments comes down to "well, these guys might not like being objectified and would feel uncomfortable being leered at" (which is bogus, they're professionals like anyone else) yet there's a mega thread in off topic on objectifying woman and many casual posts on it as well all over. I guess it's only ok if it's directed at woman and or the opposite sex.

[jammies]

Yah, I wish I got objectified more often myself - "hey that gay dude is checking me out! I'm still hot! Woo!"

Any guy who feels uncomfortable with other guys staring at him with sexual intent is a sniveling hypocrite, because we do it all the time to women and expect them to just deal. Well, I think it's pretty fair that if you want to check out my junk in the locker room, go crazy, because I can't say as I'm not trying to see down any random woman's revealing top at any opportunity. Put on your big boy pants and act like a man, not a shy little flower who is afraid of the big bad gay dude.

[ernie]

I play hockey on a co-ed team. At tournaments in this area not everyone has the facilities to separate guys from gals. So it's one locker room. No one cares. No one checks the other person out. Why? Because you simply don't do that in that environment. They are your team mate not a love interest. I would imagine that in pro sports that attitude would be even more pronounced...they are there to do a job and nothing more.

And above all, we are grown ups.

Also, North Americans really need to get over themselves when it comes to nudity.

[The Big Thirsty]

Originally Posted by ernie

I play hockey on a co-ed team. At tournaments in this area not everyone has the facilities to separate guys from gals. So it's one locker room. No one cares. No one checks the other person out. Why? Because you simply don't do that in that environment. They are your team mate not a love interest. I would imagine that in pro sports that attitude would be even more pronounced...they are there to do a job and nothing more.

And above all, we are grown ups.

Also, North Americans really need to get over themselves when it comes to nudity.

Do you walk around naked and shower together at those co-ed tournaments. I highly doubt it.

And on a side note... If you do, I'm a pretty good defenceman if you ever looking for a potential fill-in.

[GrrlGoalie33]

Originally Posted by The Big Thirsty

Do you walk around naked and shower together at those co-ed tournaments. I highly doubt it.

And on a side note... If you do, I'm a pretty good defenceman if you ever looking for a potential fill-in.

I need to re-iterate...Your gay teammates are FAR more uncomfortable in the locker room than you are.

[Ryan Coke]

His point is it could make some guys uncomfortable, as it makes some women uncomfortable. It isn't about gays or men being rapists who can't control themselves.

I would in most circumstances be fine with it, but it is a reasonable parallel (men/women and hetero/gay).

[GrrlGoalie33]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

His point is it could make some guys uncomfortable, as it makes some women uncomfortable. It isn't about gays or men being rapists who can't control themselves.

I would in most circumstances be fine with it, but it is a reasonable parallel (men/women and hetero/gay).

I agree with your first statement, however, I'm trying to get him to understand that the gay teammate is far more uncomfortable in the naked locker room situation than he is.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Frankster

I agree with your first statement, however, I'm trying to get him to understand that the gay teammate is far more uncomfortable in the naked locker room situation than he is.

No way, didn't you hear? Every gay dude is ####ing Liberace with a permanent hard-on for naked butts and is in absolute cover-me-in-chocolate heaven when presented with a veritable cornucopia of wang.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

Quoted for posterity. Look at this guy who is ok with gay bashing.

What a dumb, stupid thing to say, and when you play for the 49ers where there is a huge gay community. People like him are the problem, it's not ok to say things like that and shrug it off like the poster mykalberta.

I know this might shock a lot of you but gay people are people too. They have restraint and priorities and they can go have a shower without the need to sexually assault someone, crazy I know.

Nobody is saying they would. My point is, it would be an awkward situation to be in close proximity to a naked person who might find you sexually attractive when you do not reciprocate those feelings.

It has nothing to do with the physical attractiveness of either party, or feeling happy that someone else thinks you're hot. When you're not wearing any clothing, it's reasonable not to want to be around someone who might be attracted to you, even of there isn't anything that would ever happen. Setting aside the Victoria's Secret model example, you wouldn't feel right if you showered with your best friends girlfriend. Why? Nothing was gonna happen. You're just standing there, five to ten feet apart, naked, and what? You're uncomfortable with that? Why?

Culliver is a product of an environment. It's really unfortunate that it exists. And it makes it impossible to have a real discussion about different aspects of this issue, because if you aren't simply 100% in agreement, you're a homophobe. Even though there are legitimate points that should be addressed.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

No way, didn't you hear? Every gay dude is ####ing Liberace with a permanent hard-on for naked butts and is in absolute cover-me-in-chocolate heaven when presented with a veritable cornucopia of wang.

Are you gay or maybe have a lot of gay friends to base this on? Do you think just because a man likes other men he doesn't think like a typical male?

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

No way, didn't you hear? Every gay dude is ####ing Liberace with a permanent hard-on for naked butts and is in absolute cover-me-in-chocolate heaven when presented with a veritable cornucopia of wang.

If I understand what the point is, then I don't think you do. I haven't read anyone say anything close to what you seem to be upset about.

Gay men aren't attracted to every man, just like hetero men aren't attracted to every women. But obviously the potential for being viewed sexually (while naked) is there, and it is understandable that some men (in front of gay men) and some women (in front of straight men) may find that uncomfortable. Even then, it is really just a societal thing, but the comparison is valid.

[OffsideSpecialist]

I, for one, use the change room for changing and nothing else.

[GrrlGoalie33]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Are you gay or maybe have a lot of gay friends to base this on? Do you think just because a man likes other men he doesn't think like a typical male?

I think there is some green text missing in that post...