NFL player anti gay comments

[The Big Thirsty]

** I just noticed it wasn't even a journalist that asked the question, it was Artie Lange. He went fishing and Culliver took the bait.

[The Big Thirsty]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Cheer for the murderers or the homophobes?

I guess I'll go with the homophobes?

I have a hard time cheering for either of these teams in the Super Bowl. Both are full of asshats. I can't think of one story line out there that would swing me to one team over the other. I guess maybe Williams getting a ring because of all the flack he took last year for the fumble, but that's pushing it.

[The Big Thirsty]

This whole media week and two week break is just a ridiculous concept by the NFL. Every year you get stupid comment after stupid comment, and some pretty bad PR incidents (Pacman Jones a few years ago, Ray Buchanan, etc.). I don't know why they don't limit it to a day.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by The Big Thirsty

Why was the journalist allowed to completely set this player up? He completely railroaded him. Probably the most loaded question in professional sports.

Obviously Culliver is an idiot and responded to the question like an uneducated moron (which is exactly what the journalist was looking for),but you can;t answer a question like that without getting crucified some way or another.

There's no way to respond to those questions without getting crucified?
How about:

Reporter: So would a gay football player be welcome on the team
Player: Sure, why not. If someone can contribute to the team, who cares if they're gay.

Reporter: Do you think gay players should keep their orientation secret
Player: Like I said, it doesn't matter to me. Unfortunately gay players probably do feel that they need to keep it a secret, but hopefully that isn't always the case.

[EddyBeers]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ayers/1880957/

That guy would probably have had a better response as well.

These comments by players regarding homosexuality must be similar to comments that were made when Robinson was breaking in. These poor fellas, as the sands of time pass them by.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by jar_e

So instead of cheering for a team with a homophobe, you'll cheer for a team with a murderer on it?

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

There's no way to respond to those questions without getting crucified?
How about:

Reporter: So would a gay football player be welcome on the team
Player: Sure, why not. If someone can contribute to the team, who cares if they're gay.

Reporter: Do you think gay players should keep their orientation secret
Player: Like I said, it doesn't matter to me. Unfortunately gay players probably do feel that they need to keep it a secret, but hopefully that isn't always the case.

Look at it this way. Would it be okay if one guy was showering in a locker room full of chicks? Or is the idea of being naked around someone who might be sexually attracted to you really uncomfortable? Regardless of your sexual orientation or your cultural attitudes, that makes EVERYONE'S sphincter tighten.

Furthermore, it's not like the guy comes from a super tolerant, open minded environment in the first place, and he makes his living in the most hyper masculine sport in the world.

I'm sure he doesn't really hate gay people, but im also pretty sure he has no frame of reference for dealing with them and the mere thought of it disturbs him. Which is fine.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Look at it this way. Would it be okay if one guy was showering in a locker room full of chicks? Or is the idea of being naked around someone who might be sexually attracted to you really uncomfortable? Regardless of your sexual orientation or your cultural attitudes, that makes EVERYONE'S sphincter tighten.

Furthermore, it's not like the guy comes from a super tolerant, open minded environment in the first place, and he makes his living in the most hyper masculine sport in the world.

I'm sure he doesn't really hate gay people, but im also pretty sure he has no frame of reference for dealing with them and the mere thought of it disturbs him. Which is fine.

I shower in front of guys all the time and not once have I ever been afraid of one of them wanting my dong. Is that a legitimate fear that some guys have - do they wear swimsuits into the shower to prevent other men from potentially seeing their junk? Do they think that their penis holds super powers that a gay may see it and immediately want to be buggered or bugger them?

The guy is an idiot and a bigot with an attitude that should be stamped out and not deemed to be fine. It harkens back to a sadder time in professional sports with racial segregation - if a white man said he would feel uncomfortable being on the same team as a black man he would get torn to shreds and rightfully so, this is no different. If a gay guy wants to play football, who gives a rats ass?

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Do they think that their penis holds super powers that a gay may see it and immediately want to be buggered or bugger them?

Well I don't want to brag or anything but...

[Travis Munroe]

I am cheering for the niners but if you want a feel good story.....read Torey Smiths story.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Well I don't want to brag or anything but...

Other than you of course.

[GGG]

On the shower issue it comes from straight guy thinking. If I was in a coed shower I would check out all of the chicks in there and be thinking about banging them. If a hot chick walks by me I check them out. Therefore if I were gay I would likely be checking out a lot of guys. Therefore it is a reasonable to believe that a gay person in a shower might be checking you out.

What this fails to take into account is that their isnt really anything wrong with looking at someone. Is it sexual harassment to glance at womens chest? So at least when clothes are on there is nothing wrong.

But when clothes are off do you have a right not to be looked at. We have separate showers and wasrooms for different genders s for this reason. Both modesty and women feeling unsafe. Now a straight person shouldnt feel unsafe as it is the gay person who is far more likely a victim of violence. But if a person does not want to be objecified sexually while naked they should be able to do that. So in order to accomodate a person like that there needs to be private showers and change areas in all washrooms. Most facilities already have this so there is no real issue here.

[EddyBeers]

Former CFLer OJ Brigance is another decent reason to cheer for the Ravens

http://baltimoresportsreport.com/oj-...ure-36132.html

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Look at it this way. Would it be okay if one guy was showering in a locker room full of chicks? Or is the idea of being naked around someone who might be sexually attracted to you really uncomfortable? Regardless of your sexual orientation or your cultural attitudes, that makes EVERYONE'S sphincter tighten.

A man in a women's locker room is different because of this: his body is completely different from the bodies of women, and in general, men are far more likely to prey on women than on other men. It's more about security and difference in anatomy than a sexual issue.

Here's the newsflash: There are gay NFL players. There are gay NHL players. There are gay players in every major sports' locker rooms. How often do you hear about a player assaulting another player in the locker room in a sexual manner? Never. Just because a guy is gay doesn't mean he's suddenly going to start rubbing other dudes in the showers.

Why on earth should a world class athlete have to keep his sexuality a secret until after he retires? Why on earth should it even matter?

[Coach]

"I don't do the gay guys man," said Culliver, whose Niners play the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday. "I don't do that. No, we don't got no gay people on the team, they gotta get up out of here if they do.
"Can't be with that sweet stuff. Nah…can't be…in the locker room man. Nah."

Does this count as a language? Why should anyone, including the gay community, care what a person who cant even put a sentence together says?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

A man in a women's locker room is different because of this: his body is completely different from the bodies of women, and in general, men are far more likely to prey on women than on other men. It's more about security and difference in anatomy than a sexual issue.

By this argument blacks and whites should have different washrooms because their skin is completely different. Just because something is different doesn't mean it should be separtated.

I completely agree with your second point though that it is a safety issue. Although it might be more a cultural norm. If a man wanted to rape a women they are going to do it in an isolated place. So a crowded locker room isn't where it would happen. An empty lockeroom even if it wasn't coed is a far more likely location than in a coed locker room.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by GGG

By this argument blacks and whites should have different washrooms because their skin is completely different. Just because something is different doesn't mean it should be separtated.

I completely agree with your second point though that it is a safety issue. Although it might be more a cultural norm. If a man wanted to rape a women they are going to do it in an isolated place. So a crowded locker room isn't where it would happen. An empty lockeroom even if it wasn't coed is a far more likely location than in a coed locker room.

That's not even remotely the same. They have all the same outward/inward body parts, just different skin tones. By that logic, every single ethnicity would need their own locker room.

Again, the point is this: this is something that already exists. Gay players exist in all sports. Just because they're able to be open about it doesn't mean a teammate is at any sort of risk, no more so than he is while said player is in the closet.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Cheer for the murderers or the homophobes?

I guess I'll go with the homophobes?

Well that's an impressive job of painting an entire group of people as murderers and homophobes based upon the actions of one person, even more impressive considering that one of those people isn't even a murderer. Well done

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Look at it this way. Would it be okay if one guy was showering in a locker room full of chicks? Or is the idea of being naked around someone who might be sexually attracted to you really uncomfortable? Regardless of your sexual orientation or your cultural attitudes, that makes EVERYONE'S sphincter tighten.

Furthermore, it's not like the guy comes from a super tolerant, open minded environment in the first place, and he makes his living in the most hyper masculine sport in the world.

I'm sure he doesn't really hate gay people, but im also pretty sure he has no frame of reference for dealing with them and the mere thought of it disturbs him. Which is fine.

Jesus christ get over yourself.

Do you assume any woman who saw you naked would want your body?

Gay men have standards and types too. I mean, you sure as hell aren't going to find any twinks in an NFL locker room.

[The Big Thirsty]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Jesus christ get over yourself.

Do you assume any woman who saw you naked would want your body?

Gay men have standards and types too. I mean, you sure as hell aren't going to find any twinks in an NFL locker room.

And you don't think a bunch of young ripped athletes would meet gay guys standards? I took my wife's brother (who is gay) to the game last night, and we were talking about this very thread. I asked him if being in a pro locker room would make him a happy man. His response, " Let's put it this way, would being thrown in a shower with a bunch of Victoria Secrets Models make you a happy man?". That would make me a very happy man.

This world has become so politically correct its ridiculous. Me and you might not have any issue with it, but I can definitely see how some players in a locker room could potentially have an issue walking around naked and showering with a gay teammate. Culliver is an idiot and responded to the question as such, but to suggest there's not a potential issue seems quite flawed to me.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by The Big Thirsty

And you don't think a bunch of young ripped athletes would meet gay guys standards? I took my wife's brother (who is gay) to the game last night, and we were talking about this very thread. I asked him if being in a pro locker room would make him a happy man. His response, " Let's put it this way, would being thrown in a shower with a bunch of Victoria Secrets Models make you a happy man?". That would make me a very happy man.

This world has become so politically correct its ridiculous. Me and you might not have any issue with it, but I can definitely see how some players in a locker room could potentially have an issue walking around naked and showering with a gay teammate. Culliver is an idiot and responded to the question as such, but to suggest there's not a potential issue seems quite flawed to me.

And I assume you'd just go around grabbing tits and asses right? Because obviously that's what gay guys would do, so incapable of controlling themselves