2012 NFL Offseason Thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Agree completely....Saints fans are doing nothing but trying to deflect the blame or trying to justify things if they believe that nonsense.

Payton should get his year and Williams should never be allowed to work in the NFL again...period.

And when the suspensions come down for the gaggle of players implicated, they too should serve there sentence without appeal and everyone in the game learns a lesson.

Give it a rest with the high and mighty crap. You don't think that Packer defence did not do the same thing? Of course they did just like the rest of the NFL, the difference is the Saints got caught and the NFL is sending a message to everybody else that it won't be tolerated anymore. Pretty sure if it was GB that had this going on you would be singing a very different tune.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

NFL types on the Williams speech...

Jason Taylor





Former NFL defensive lineman Seth Payne





Brian Billick



Josh Sitton

Well of course they are gonna say that, do you expect most people in the NFL to admit it? Do you think Williams would have if it had been a different team? You can't be that gullible.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Give it a rest with the high and mighty crap. You don't think that Packer defence did not do the same thing? Of course they did just like the rest of the NFL, the difference is the Saints got caught and the NFL is sending a message to everybody else that it won't be tolerated anymore. Pretty sure if it was GB that had this going on you would be singing a very different tune.

HIgh and mighty?

Get bent


You have no idea what i would be doing in some theoretical situation.

In fact i am hoping all the players involved get suspended...including Anthony Hargrove....who, you know...just signed with the Packers!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

HIgh and mighty?

Get bent


You have no idea what i would be doing in some theoretical situation.

In fact i am hoping all the players involved get suspended...including Anthony Hargrove....who, you know...just signed with the Packers!

Sure I do because your post history shows how arrogant about your team you are.
None of your posts on the situation differ, it is just a bunch of hate filled crap aimed at an organization you have made clear you don't like. What do you care if Hargrove gets suspended, it won't affect GB at all. Now if the majority of a teams defence is suspended that is a threat in the same Conference as your beloved Packers, that would just tickle you pink wouldn't it? I would bet anything if this were an AFC team we wouldn't hear a peep from you on it instead of having to listen to the same garbage post from you every other page.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well of course they are gonna say that, do you expect most people in the NFL to admit it? Do you think Williams would have if it had been a different team? You can't be that gullible.

So in your world, every team did the same thing and only the Saints got caught?

I think it takes more gullability to believe that frankly.

[transplant99]

None of your posts on the situation differ, it is just a bunch of hate filled crap aimed at an organization you have made clear you don't like.

Prove it...i have never claimed anything of the sort.

And Hargrove getting suspended wont affect the Packers? You have no clue of what you speak.

And again, if, as you claim, i am arrrogant about the Packers and "post garbage every other page"...then lets see them man....or are you merely fabricating stuff again?

Saints are getting what they deserve...whether or not anyone else did the exact same thing of which there is zero proof. Nevermind the audio of Willimas, but the FACT that they continued doing what they did after being told to stop....well it just goes to an orginizational arrogance or stupidity....niether of which is a good trait.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

So in your world, every team did the same thing and only the Saints got caught?

I think it takes more gullability to believe that frankly.

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Did all 32 teams have an organized program? No. Is it the first time this kind of thing has been part of the NFL, I think you'd have to be equally gullible to believe that.

That doesn't mean Payton and Williams s/b punished. They should, but to many casual fans who don't know much about the game they won't be able to see that the Saints are being tarred for what has been decades of league neglect, and turning a blind eye to this kind of stuff.

Now that the lawsuits are flying the NFL has to take a very different tone. The Saints were told to stop, and they didn't. Any other era this isn't news, but when you think about players lives after the game, its actually a good thing that it is.

The NFL is in a tough spot they are trying to change the game to look more responsible about safety, and at the same time changing some of the very reasons the game is popular.

[Bobblehead]

The Saints are being tarred because they were told to f'n stop it by the league and yet the bounties continued. It could have been solved behind closed doors, but for some reason the warning wasn't heeded so the hammer dropped.


I'm sure many other teams have had something similar. But the Saints were the ones caught and persisted in doing it. I'm sure there will always be something like this, but after this ruling you know it will be buried so deep and everyone will be so hyper-conscious about being caught that it might as well almost not exist. No one wants to get the next penalty. And the NFL would just as soon get people talking about the draft and next season while letting this sordid story fade in the minds of the general public.


It is the NFLPA that is curious to me. It sounds like they are fighting the proposed penalties. Yet the penalties are designed to prevent their own clients from being hurt. If you are Michael Crabtree, I wonder how you feel about his union trying to protect the guys who wanted to take out his knee? This issue is a huge conflict of interest for the NFLPA.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

It is the NFLPA that is curious to me. It sounds like they are fighting the proposed penalties. Yet the penalties are designed to prevent their own clients from being hurt. If you are Michael Crabtree, I wonder how you feel about his union trying to protect the guys who wanted to take out his knee? This issue is a huge conflict of interest for the NFLPA.

It's a bit of a odd situation. Players were following coaches orders and incentives. The coaches have the power to control a player play time, so the player is at a disadvantage. So I can see why NFLPA want to defend those players. But at the same time what they're defending is against player safety.

[Drake]

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reports that Parcells told Payton that he will remain retired rather than return to coaching. Almost immediately after Payton’s suspension for failing to stop the Saints’ bounty program was announced, discussions began that Parcells could fill in for Payton for the year. But in recent days it appeared more likely that the Saints would go with an in-house candidate as the interim head coach, rather than hiring from the outside.

Pete Carmichael, Jr the interim coach?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...aints/related/

[Drake]

Now it's official. RT @Saints: Saints Announce that Assistant HC/LB Coach Joe Vitt to Assume Sean Payton Duties http://bit.ly/HBrftA

https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/...40209870471169

Saints' OL coach Aaron Kromer is expected to become New Orleans' interim HC during

https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/...43778707292161

[Drake]

Ryan Leaf charged with four felonies. He could be facing 50 years in prison.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/78...-four-felonies

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Drake

Ryan Leaf charged with four felonies. He could be facing 50 years in prison.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/78...-four-felonies

Might be tough writing his next book. I don't think the cells in Deer Lodge are well lighted.

[transplant99]

According to this chart the patriots and the Packers have the easiest schedules in the NFL this season while the Giants and the Broncos face the toughest.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...hedule-release

[d_phaneuf]

whoever gets Trent Richardson is getting a phenomenal person as well as a great player

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7815808

[Displaced Flames fan]

Greg Williams: Good Samaratin

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/...yJr2hiWow.cspx

[Displaced Flames fan]

Denver officially signed Brandon Stokley today. That move has been coming since Peyton Manning signed.

[Joborule]

Good to have him back.

[ResAlien]

Are they going to allow him to bring his walker on the field with him?

He'll be good for the younger receivers to learn Manning audibles and whatnot in training camp / preseason but I'd be surprised if he makes the team.

[browna]

Stokley's last game was with Seattle...two good playoff games in January 2011. But that means it will be over 20 months between NFL games, if he makes the squad at age 36.

NFL schedule comes out tomorrow officially.