2012 NFL Offseason Thread

[KTown]

Originally Posted by M*A*S*H 4077

I don't think Tebow will end up in Miami. But Moore a better QB than Tebow? How many games has Moore won?

I am not gonna go into this debate, it be like arguing with pro fiedler fans back in Miami days.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Originally Posted by Otsy

Tebow is never leading a team to the super bow. They had some unreal wins last year, but the defense had more to do with it then Tebow is some of those. Tebow may just go down as the greatest college player to ever play, but he'll never be in the greatest QB of all time discussion that Manning is sure to be in when he's finished playing.

It's way too early to say that Tebow will never lead a team to a Super Bowl. If he ends up somewhere with receivers who can catch, who knows? His receivers let him down a lot last season. Tonne of drops. Not to say they would have won more games but his pore numbers are, in my mind, over exaggerated because of this

[KTown]

Originally Posted by valo403

There are TONS of Gator fans in south Florida

I wouldn't say Tons, but there is some sure, I agree. It is still Hurricane country #1, so he's probably got more people who dislike him then like him.

[PIMking]

For the first time in Peyton Manning's football career (including college) he has upset the Gator fans....

[Mike Vernon]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I would think Denver was grateful for a great ride in a time when they thought they were preparing for the worst. But to say that any love for Manning is Superbowl or bust is crazy. I think a proficient Offence where they aren't holding their breath with every drop back and can take advantage of Thomas' skills at WR will be a huge win for the fan base.

So your saying they are picking up a 36yr old Manning with 4 neck surgeries for fun?

You don't pay Manning 30+ million to hang around and look good. Ask Indy

Superbowl or bust... for Fox and Elway. For those who think Elway is untouchable, just wait until next year...

[valo403]

Originally Posted by KTown

I wouldn't say Tons, but there is some sure, I agree. It is still Hurricane country #1, so he's probably got more people who dislike him then like him.

I don't think that you can call anywhere Hurricane country. That fan base is pathetic.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

So what? Teams are desperate for a quick fix.



Yes I watched Tebow play last year and when he played for Florida. He is probably the most exciting player I have watched in years, and those games he won last year were out right amazing. By the sounds of it you missed out on some exciting games, too bad for you.

Denver fans will be thrilled only if Manning takes Denver to the SB. Anything less will have everyone asking "why did we trade our first overall pick for a 36 washed up has-been that hasn't won a SB in over 6yrs"

You seem to have confused exciting with good

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Tebow took a team with a losing record and got them not only in the Playoffs but past the Steelers in the first round. Ya, that Tebow guy really sucks, I wouldn't want him on my team ...

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You give him too much credit. A great defence, a good running game, and some enormous field goals got the Broncos into the playoffs. There is a reason not a lot of teams are terribly excited about pursuing Tebow. They won in spite of him.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

So your saying they are picking up a 36yr old Manning with 4 neck surgeries for fun?

You don't pay Manning 30+ million to hang around and look good. Ask Indy

Superbowl or bust... for Fox and Elway. For those who think Elway is untouchable, just wait until next year...

I'm saying all those receivers who watch passes go flying 10 yards past them or go bouncing by them for 55 minutes every game will need to get used to being part of the offence again. That the RBs will get a chance to carry the ball with fewer than 10 men in the box. the passing game will be a threat again instead of simply a hope and a prayer.

Given an off season to see how Tebow was running an offence, NFL defensive coordinators would have severely limited his results next season. Tebow is a great leader, competitive as hell, but he is a poor QB. Even a 36 year old Manning with 4 surgeries is better and it isn't even close.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by KTown

I wouldn't say Tons, but there is some sure, I agree. It is still Hurricane country #1, so he's probably got more people who dislike him then like him.

yeah the same Hurricane fans that show up in the hundreds for their home games? UF controls that state, UF has a huge alumni base (50k students) and a large footprint in the state. UM is a private school that is around 10k students. Just in sheer numbers there will be more Gator Fans/Alumni in south Florida than UM.

Also Miami needs to do something to get fans into the stadium, that goes for both their pro and college teams. UM is no were near 1/2 full for home games.

Tim was a great college QB that has a weird throwing motion. His career completion % at UF was 66.4% and the record is held by Sam Bradford at 67.6%, Tim was labeled as a terrible passer and inaccurate out of college yet his career comp % was 1.2% lower than the record holder. which isn't bad when you consider that Tebow Started 3 years (45 games) and played a bit as a freshman. His TD and INT were exactly the same as Bradfords 88/16 out of college too. But Tim is labeled as a bad passer? C'mon man, leave the kid alone with his throwing motion and he will be fine. He might not be Elway or Marino but he will and can be a serviceable qb in the NFL.

[Mike Vernon]

And for all of you who think Elway is some football genius, why did he play Orton in 10/11 after picking Tebow #1 only to have a horrible season and record, then again start Orton for 11/12 season only to have another losing record for the first 1/4 of the season??? This blows my mind. I think if the Denver fan base did not step in with chasing Orton off the field Denver would again had a losing record last year. Why would Elway do this?

I honestly think that bone head decision has lead to this even more bone head decision and it will cost Denver big time.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I'm saying all those receivers who watch passes go flying 10 yards past them or go bouncing by them for 55 minutes every game will need to get used to being part of the offence again. That the RBs will get a chance to carry the ball with fewer than 10 men in the box. the passing game will be a threat again instead of simply a hope and a prayer.

Given an off season to see how Tebow was running an offence, NFL defensive coordinators would have severely limited his results next season. Tebow is a great leader, competitive as hell, but he is a poor QB. Even a 36 year old Manning with 4 surgeries is better and it isn't even close.

How many passes were dropped by those "receivers"? plenty

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Originally Posted by PIMking

yeah the same Hurricane fans that show up in the hundreds for their home games? UF controls that state, UF has a huge alumni base (50k students) and a large footprint in the state. UM is a private school that is around 10k students. Just in sheer numbers there will be more Gator Fans/Alumni in south Florida than UM.

Also Miami needs to do something to get fans into the stadium, that goes for both their pro and college teams. UM is no were near 1/2 full for home games.

Tim was a great college QB that has a weird throwing motion. His career completion % at UF was 66.4% and the record is held by Sam Bradford at 67.6%, Tim was labeled as a terrible passer and inaccurate out of college yet his career comp % was 1.2% lower than the record holder. which isn't bad when you consider that Tebow Started 3 years (45 games) and played a bit as a freshman. His TD and INT were exactly the same as Bradfords 88/16 out of college too. But Tim is labeled as a bad passer? C'mon man, leave the kid alone with his throwing motion and he will be fine. He might not be Elway or Marino but he will and can be a serviceable qb in the NFL.

Agreed. He needs a chance. He needs someone (Jacksonville?) to say he is the guy. Not have management continually put him down

[Mike Vernon]

Originally Posted by troutman

You give him too much credit. A great defence, a good running game, and some enormous field goals got the Broncos into the playoffs. There is a reason not a lot of teams are terribly excited about pursuing Tebow. They won in spite of him.

What enormous field goals? From a long distance? Did you watch the same games i did? Im confused???

Where were these "enormous" field goals for Orton then? Same roster for Orton who went 1-4 for Tebow who went 5-3. Everyone said Orton was better but on the same team with same coaching strategy (horrible) Tebow out performed. Hmm...

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PIMking

yeah the same Hurricane fans that show up in the hundreds for their home games? UF controls that state, UF has a huge alumni base (50k students) and a large footprint in the state. UM is a private school that is around 10k students. Just in sheer numbers there will be more Gator Fans/Alumni in south Florida than UM.

Also Miami needs to do something to get fans into the stadium, that goes for both their pro and college teams. UM is no were near 1/2 full for home games.

Tim was a great college QB that has a weird throwing motion. His career completion % at UF was 66.4% and the record is held by Sam Bradford at 67.6%, Tim was labeled as a terrible passer and inaccurate out of college yet his career comp % was 1.2% lower than the record holder. which isn't bad when you consider that Tebow Started 3 years (45 games) and played a bit as a freshman. His TD and INT were exactly the same as Bradfords 88/16 out of college too. But Tim is labeled as a bad passer? C'mon man, leave the kid alone with his throwing motion and he will be fine. He might not be Elway or Marino but he will and can be a serviceable qb in the NFL.

That is a classic example of looking at stats instead of looking at reality. His completion percentage was high because he was rarely asked to make anything but high percentage throws. You know what that offense consisted of, he wasn't throwing the ball down the field that often and he certainly wasn't working in an offense anywhere close to the one that Bradford was in.

[North East Goon]

If the draft goes according to plan:

1) Luck
2)RGIII
3)Kalil

What do you do if you are the Browns picking @ 4? They need playmakers on offense and a better o-line. Do you take Trent Richardson no RB's this high rule be damned?

[Mike Vernon]

Originally Posted by M*A*S*H 4077

Agreed. He needs a chance. He needs someone (Jacksonville?) to say he is the guy. Not have management continually put him down

Exactly.

Also he needs a team that caters to his style of play...not Elway's. Looking back on the games Tebow played for Denver you can tell for the first 3/4 he played Fox/Elway style and his numbers were poor. It wasn't until the last 10min of the game where Denver was behind where it looked like Tebow would start to call his own shots or Fox/Elway would finally let Tebow do what he does...hence the "miracle" come backs.

If Tebow ends up on a team that forms around him rather than him forming around the team it could be an amazing thing.

For me this trade is great because of the huge pressure Elway has put on himself and the organization, and that Tebow may finally get his fair shot - far away from the Bronco train wreck

[Pacem]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

I just hope Bronco fans don't join the Tebow hate train now and pretend they weren't his biggest fan after that Pittsburgh win. Maybe he wasn't the reason they had a decent turn around and won a playoff game, but they sure as hell weren't going anywhere before he took over.

What? People are upset Tebow "might" join the Pats? Why, because they're paranoid of him taking 12 snaps in a few 4th quarters? Best case scenario is that Belichick can convince him to consider giving it a try as a fullback- something that is bound to happen in a few years anyways imo

Not a chance for this Bronco fan. I've been on the Tebow hate train since he was drafted. I've been very vocal about it.

Originally Posted by M*A*S*H 4077

It's way too early to say that Tebow will never lead a team to a Super Bowl. If he ends up somewhere with receivers who can catch, who knows? His receivers let him down a lot last season. Tonne of drops. Not to say they would have won more games but his pore numbers are, in my mind, over exaggerated because of this

You mean the recievers that were never utilized and got balls thrown to them so badly? If Tebow learned to throw a spiral. Or better yet, if he learned how to throw a ball better then a teenage girl then maybe the recievers would be able to catch the ball. Sure Tebow didn't throw picks, that is because a large percentage of his throws were uncatchable by anyone on the field. His throwing was pathetic.

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Tebow took a team with a losing record and got them not only in the Playoffs but past the Steelers in the first round. Ya, that Tebow guy really sucks, I wouldn't want him on my team ...

Elway is throwing away a young QB with loads of potential for a washed up 36yr old with 4 neck surgeries under his belt in the last year. Im not saying that Manning can't win another SB, but I think if he comes short of getting the Broncos in the SB, Elway will be chased out of Denver in a hurry.

To me this is one of the dumbest moves in NFL history, time will tell....

I think you are confusing Tebow with the Broncos D. The Broncos D enabled them to put together that winning streak. They were on top of their game for that streak.

Tebow does seem to be a clutch player. So can be utilized in the right role. Starting QB is not that role. College style offense doesn't do well in an extended situation in the NFL for a reason. I was so not looking forward to having him as a starting QB this year as teams would have been able to prepare for the option offense and absolutely destroy Denver.

[Pacem]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

And for all of you who think Elway is some football genius, why did he play Orton in 10/11 after picking Tebow #1 only to have a horrible season and record, then again start Orton for 11/12 season only to have another losing record for the first 1/4 of the season??? This blows my mind. I think if the Denver fan base did not step in with chasing Orton off the field Denver would again had a losing record last year. Why would Elway do this?

I honestly think that bone head decision has lead to this even more bone head decision and it will cost Denver big time.

Elway didn't pick Tebow. That was all McDaniels who was a complete moron while in Denver. Elway didn't join the Broncos staff untill early 2011. He was busy doing his own things prior to that.

[Mike Vernon]

Originally Posted by valo403

That is a classic example of looking at stats instead of looking at reality.

Ha! You really stepped into that one! The reality is Tebow won big games

In the end its about winning right? Brady had better stats than Eli but who won?

I love when guys chirp about Tebows stats but in the end, when all that mattered was winning, Tebow beat big Ben and all his stats.

Look at reality right?