2011 NFL thread

[d_phaneuf]

the 2013 becomes a 1st if the Raiders win a playoff game

[Displaced Flames fan]

Very high price, but the only move to make if the Raiders feel they have a shot to go far in the playoffs.

I think Palmer is going to be very motivated to be successful.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Terrible trade for the Raiders. Palmer has been awful the last two years.

The only reason the Bengals made the playoffs that year was because they had one of the easiest schedules in NFL history and a solid defense. Palmer's numbers that year were incredibly average.

So awful or average?

I agree the price the Raiders payed was too high for Palmer...but the guy is a bonafide NFL QB and I have a feeling he will flourish with that team and that receiving core....which doesnt address their biggest problems but does plug a huge hole with Campbell all broken up.

[Lil Pedro]

What does this mean for Jason Campbell when he returns from injury? Or next year for that matter? He's played alright as the Raiders QB

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

What does this mean for Jason Campbell when he returns from injury? Or next year for that matter? He's played alright as the Raiders QB

They'll have a good back up, which is exactly what Jason Campbell is.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Glazer just said on NFL network tht Hue Jackson has been after Carson Palmer since he took over as head coach.

There's your answer regarding Campbell.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

What does this mean for Jason Campbell when he returns from injury? Or next year for that matter? He's played alright as the Raiders QB

I think he finds a new team and I feel bad for him, because in the right system he can be a good starter, and he finally found a coach who liked him.

But Palmer is the guy going forward now, and TP will hopefully be the number 2 with a few years to learn

Campbell should start for someone next year

[Bobblehead]

It kind of makes you wonder why Boller was even on staff if they apparently have almost zero faith in him.

Before Pryor came along, who was the 3rd QB?

And a number of the Bay area beat writers I follow on twitter are saying Al Davis wouldn't have done this deal. "Al loved his first round picks". They concede he traded one for Seymour, but they don't think he would have done this deal.

[moon]

Seems like a lot to give up to get at best marginally better.

Palmer is certainly better than Campbell (who isn't) but it isn't like this team puts them ahead of other teams in the AFC.

They still are the second best team in their division and probably the 6-7th team in the AFC.

A first round pick even in the middle of the round seems like a lot to give up for a shot at losing in the first round of the play-offs.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

What does this mean for Jason Campbell when he returns from injury? Or next year for that matter? He's played alright as the Raiders QB

Apparently he is a UFA after this season and the Raiders are now Carson Palmer's team.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

It kind of makes you wonder why Boller was even on staff if they apparently have almost zero faith in him.

Before Pryor came along, who was the 3rd QB?

And a number of the Bay area beat writers I follow on twitter are saying Al Davis wouldn't have done this deal. "Al loved his first round picks". They concede he traded one for Seymour, but they don't think he would have done this deal.

Trent Edwards, they cut him after they drafted Pryor

they wanted to bring Gradkowski back but he wanted a chance to start so he left once he was told it was Campbell's team

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Trent Edwards, they cut him after they drafted Pryor

they wanted to bring Gradkowski back but he wanted a chance to start so he left once he was told it was Campbell's team

Ok, so that would be why Edwards apparently turned down the Raiders when he was approached after Campbell's injury.

But it still makes me wonder why they kept Boller over Edwards? If they don't trust Boller to the point where they asked Edwards to return, why not have just kept Edwards instead of Boller in the first place?

[erincruz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Take a look at the Broncos remaining schedule. The only game I can see them winning with Tebow as starter is the Dolphins game. They could go 2-14. Looking at the Colts schedule there is a few winnable games left for them and the Colts still maintain Manning could return (not sure why unless it's to let him see if the surgery has him 100%). IMO both teams will be kneck and kneck. Personally I hope the Colts finish last as I love seeing the Broncos stink but things are falling into place for the Broncos.

A bit off topic, but I am curious: The Broncos are my home team and Tebow is lauded like I have never experienced with other star players. He's a rook from Florida who has had some press but how did this media explosion start?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Ok, so that would be why Edwards apparently turned down the Raiders when he was approached after Campbell's injury.

But it still makes me wonder why they kept Boller over Edwards? If they don't trust Boller to the point where they asked Edwards to return, why not have just kept Edwards instead of Boller in the first place?

$$ would be my guess....Boller was less than $1.5 IIRC hearing right.....tho i have no idea what edwards was earning and this is just a guess.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So awful or average?

I agree the price the Raiders payed was too high for Palmer...but the guy is a bonafide NFL QB and I have a feeling he will flourish with that team and that receiving core....which doesnt address their biggest problems but does plug a huge hole with Campbell all broken up.

He was awful in 2010 and nothing special in 2009. I agree his weapons weren't very good, but that doesn't account for the 33 interceptions he threw over that span. The guy wasn't making good decisions with the football.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

What does this mean for Jason Campbell when he returns from injury? Or next year for that matter? He's played alright as the Raiders QB

He's probably going to be looking for employment in the offseason. I feel bad for him because this was the first time in his career he got to start in the same offense two years in a row and he was the perfect QB for the team in that he is a very good manager not an old gunslinger that carelessly tosses the ball around. You don't need that type of guy when you have one of the best running backs in the league and the best running game.

It's pretty obvious that Hue has had a mancrush on Palmer since their days working together so with Davis out of the picture it was a matter of giving up whatever the Bengals wanted so Hue could get his guy. Campbell was Davis's guy and if he really wanted Palmer he would have made this deal in the offseason as the Bengals would have surely accepted the deal then as nobody envisioned Palmer getting back more than a 1st round pick at the most. This is the reason you don't let coaches be GM's as the coach is looking only at this season.

It's going to be just like old times for Hue, Chuck, and Carson. Palmer throwing for 300 yards and the Raiders still losing because Bresnahan's crappy defense gives up over 400 yards/game just like when they worked together in Cincinnatti with no draft picks to upgrade the porous defense in the near future. And that's 'if' Palmer can return to his Pro-Bowl days.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Ok, so that would be why Edwards apparently turned down the Raiders when he was approached after Campbell's injury.

But it still makes me wonder why they kept Boller over Edwards? If they don't trust Boller to the point where they asked Edwards to return, why not have just kept Edwards instead of Boller in the first place?

Boller is on the team because Hue worked with him in Baltimore and as you can see Hue is assembling his team now with his guys. Edwards had to be markedly better than Boller in the preseason to make the team and he wasn't.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by erincruz

A bit off topic, but I am curious: The Broncos are my home team and Tebow is lauded like I have never experienced with other star players. He's a rook from Florida who has had some press but how did this media explosion start?

Really?

This post is a little confusing to me. The guy was a superstar college athlete who was far and away the best player on a National Championship team.

[erincruz]

Originally Posted by nik-

Really?

This post is a little confusing to me. The guy was a superstar college athlete who was far and away the best player on a National Championship team.

Well when you saw it like that.. But it seems a bit over hyped when you look at other players that emerged similarly. Maybe it's just living in this town, or maybe my perplexity is uncalled for, but I just get mystified with how fixated people seem to be.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's probably going to be looking for employment in the offseason. I feel bad for him because this was the first time in his career he got to start in the same offense two years in a row and he was the perfect QB for the team in that he is a very good manager not an old gunslinger that carelessly tosses the ball around. You don't need that type of guy when you have one of the best running backs in the league and the best running game.

Agreed, I was just coming on to say I feel bad for Campbell as well. Always seemed like a good guy, and was finally having a good start to the season. I guess the good news for him is he's a UFA after this season, so as long as everything heals ok, hopefully someone will seek him out after how he played in this abbreviated year.

I think he's got a chance to at least be able to compete for a starting job somewhere. Because watching MNF last night reminded me there's lots of teams out there who need a QB...