10-18-2011, 08:20 AM
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#1181
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Red Deer, AB
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On phone, so can't do much better
Via Jay Glazer twitter:
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The trade is expected to be completed by deadline. Hue Jackson has a close relationship w Mike Brown and really worked to get Brown to budge
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Sounds like close to a done deal. Not sure what could be coming the other way, as I'm not sure the Raiders have many picks left after their 1st round.
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10-18-2011, 08:27 AM
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#1182
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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10-18-2011, 08:30 AM
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#1183
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Red Deer, AB
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Just about to post that... That price is huge
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10-18-2011, 08:38 AM
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#1184
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Wow.
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Double wow.
Edit: It is official. Apparently the Raiders are going for it now. They have better since they have traded most of their picks from the next draft.
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Last edited by Bobblehead; 10-18-2011 at 08:45 AM.
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10-18-2011, 08:46 AM
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#1185
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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EE is gonna have a stroke when he reads that.
I didn't think Brown would budge unless he got what he wanted and it appears he did. Shows how valuable real QB's are though....and paying that price means that they expect Palmer to be the starter for a good long while i would assume.
Actually a good deal for both sides IMO as it addresses the Raiders biggest weakness and allows the Bengals to shore up what they have with Daulton moving forward.
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10-18-2011, 08:48 AM
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#1186
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what a horrible trade
it makes the team better this year left, anyone but Boller is an upgrade, but wow a 1st and a 2nd
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10-18-2011, 08:49 AM
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#1187
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
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Originally Posted by transplant99
EE is gonna have a stroke when he reads that.
I didn't think Brown would budge unless he got what he wanted and it appears he did. Shows how valuable real QB's are though....and paying that price means that they expect Palmer to be the starter for a good long while i would assume.
Actually a good deal for both sides IMO as it addresses the Raiders biggest weakness and allows the Bengals to shore up what they have with Daulton moving forward.
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Carson Palmer has done nothing in recent years to warrant a 1st rounder. I would be pissed if I was a Raider fan.
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10-18-2011, 08:50 AM
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#1188
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Oakland and Cincinnati are on the verge of completing one of the NFL's biggest trade-deadline deals in decades, with the Raiders acquiring holdout quarterback Carson Palmer from the Bengals in exchange for a two first-round picks, according to sources familiar with the deal.
The first first-round pick is in 2012 and the other is a conditional first-round pick in 2013.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/71...ls-sources-say
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10-18-2011, 08:54 AM
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#1189
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Red Deer, AB
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Wow.
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And that conditional pick, another 1st
Via AdamSchefter
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Carson Palmer to the Raiders now official. Compensation expected to be a 1st in 2012 and a conditional 1st in 2013
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10-18-2011, 08:54 AM
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#1190
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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A few pissy tweets about who broke the story.
__________________
"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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10-18-2011, 08:59 AM
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#1191
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
A few pissy tweets about who broke the story.
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Its like Kypreos vs TSN guys...so stupid in the scheme of things.
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10-18-2011, 09:01 AM
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#1192
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the conditional first might be winning the super bowl, no one knows
either way, all ready talked myself in to it
the pick is going to be in the 15-22 range most likely this year, hopefully in the round in 2013
The Seymour trade got ripped as well, and for the last 2 years it's been a steal for the Raiders
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10-18-2011, 09:14 AM
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#1193
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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the ghost of Al Davis is alive and well it seems...Palmer will be better than anything else they could field so for that reason it will help them for now....but this also means they have no draft picks til round 5 next year sans a couple compensatory picks they may get from losing ufa's.
Good move by Brown as well....gets something for his team from an asset that was doing absolutely nothing for them.
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10-18-2011, 09:32 AM
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#1194
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Terrible trade for the Raiders. Palmer has been awful the last two years.
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10-18-2011, 09:53 AM
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#1195
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by rubecube
Terrible trade for the Raiders. Palmer has been awful the last two years.
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Why do people keep saying this?
Last year was awful...for that whole team, but the previous season the Bengals won that division with Baltimore and Pittsburgh in it....yes they got thumped when they played the Jets....but the whole team was bad in that game
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10-18-2011, 09:57 AM
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#1196
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by transplant99
EE is gonna have a stroke when he reads that.
I didn't think Brown would budge unless he got what he wanted and it appears he did. Shows how valuable real QB's are though....and paying that price means that they expect Palmer to be the starter for a good long while i would assume.
Actually a good deal for both sides IMO as it addresses the Raiders biggest weakness and allows the Bengals to shore up what they have with Daulton moving forward.
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Yeah I'm not too happy but at least the Raiders can salvage the season. Raiders will head into the bye week 4-3 (we will lose to the Chiefs with Boller starting) and if Palmer can pick up the offense fast enough the Raiders could finish strong. Long term though it sucks. I realize that the team has a surplus of receivers and running backs but those 1st round picks are going to be needed to supplement the defense which IMO is the teams weakness. To top it off there's no garantee Palmer is an upgrade on Campbell especially based on recent performance so the Raiders could be giving up the farm for a player of the level they could have signed in the offseason.
I guess I could assimilate this to the Flames trading a couple of 1st round picks for Spezza. Sure it would be okay this year and next year but down the road the team would be paying dearly for short term gain and like with Palmer we know Spezza has shortcomings so it's not even garanteed to be a homerun in the present.
I have to believe Al Davis would never have made this deal as this is all Hue Jackson. Oh well I'll just have to be happy the season may not be meaningless now as with Boller starting it would be.
If I'm a Bengals fan it's definately an early Christmas. Great trade for them.
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10-18-2011, 10:07 AM
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#1197
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf
the conditional first might be winning the super bowl, no one knows
either way, all ready talked myself in to it
the pick is going to be in the 15-22 range most likely this year, hopefully in the round in 2013
The Seymour trade got ripped as well, and for the last 2 years it's been a steal for the Raiders
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Yeah there's no reason to pout as at least it brings some short term excitement. If Palmer turns out to be a bust though it will suck because the Raiders were just on the right track and this would set them back.
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10-18-2011, 10:11 AM
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#1198
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Yeah I'm not too happy but at least the Raiders can salvage the season. Raiders will head into the bye week 4-3 (we will lose to the Chiefs with Boller starting) and if Palmer can pick up the offense fast enough the Raiders could finish strong. Long term though it sucks. I realize that the team has a surplus of receivers and running backs but those 1st round picks are going to be needed to supplement the defense which IMO is the teams weakness. To top it off there's no garantee Palmer is an upgrade on Campbell especially based on recent performance so the Raiders could be giving up the farm for a player of the level they could have signed in the offseason.
I guess I could assimilate this to the Flames trading a couple of 1st round picks for Spezza. Sure it would be okay this year and next year but down the road the team would be paying dearly for short term gain and like with Palmer we know Spezza has shortcomings so it's not even garanteed to be a homerun in the present.
I have to believe Al Davis would never have made this deal as this is all Hue Jackson. Oh well I'll just have to be happy the season may not be meaningless now as with Boller starting it would be.
If I'm a Bengals fan it's definately an early Christmas. Great trade for them.
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I dunno about that....it was trademark Davis to trade picks for older players...some worked and other didnt, but the man was never shy about targetting other teams extra pieces particularly older and expensive ones.
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10-18-2011, 10:21 AM
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#1199
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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I love Bill Simmons
sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
Oakland traded 2 first round picks for Carson Palmer? Al Davis is still alive!!! I knew it!!!
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10-18-2011, 10:24 AM
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#1200
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Why do people keep saying this?
Last year was awful...for that whole team, but the previous season the Bengals won that division with Baltimore and Pittsburgh in it....yes they got thumped when they played the Jets....but the whole team was bad in that game
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The only reason the Bengals made the playoffs that year was because they had one of the easiest schedules in NFL history and a solid defense. Palmer's numbers that year were incredibly average.
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