I'd love to know how this Erixon thing is playing around the league. Has anyone heard any opinions from current or recent NHL management about it (excluding the Flames and Rangers if course)?
I don't know if this is much of a story around the NHL outside of Calgary and New York.
An AHL version of Hemsky most likely. I wouldn't get hopes too high about this kid. There is a reason he is thrown into a deal with 2 second rounders for another prospect. Horak's chances of making it are slim.
If you compare his scoring rates in his 19 year old season, Horak is shy offensively of guys like Nemisz, Boyd, and Wahl.
Nemisz played on a line with Taylor Hall and was 4th on his team in both point and goal scoring
Horak was second on his team in pts and goal scoring and missed games for the WJC.
Boyd was second on his team in pt and goal scoring to line mate 20-year old Brouwer, who was basically the biggest toughest linemate Boyd ever had..... (outside a few games with Prust and McGratton)
Nemisz played on a line with Taylor Hall and was 4th on his team in both point and goal scoring
Horak was second on his team in pts and goal scoring and missed games for the WJC.
Boyd was second on his team in pt and goal scoring to line mate 20-year old Brouwer, who was basically the biggest toughest linemate Boyd ever had..... (outside a few games with Prust and McGratton)
I'm pretty sure Nemisz played mostly second line right wing and third line centre. That was one of the pluses with Nemisz, he didn't get to ride on Hall's coattails, but still produced.
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I'm pretty sure Nemisz played mostly second line right wing and third line centre. That was one of the pluses with Nemisz, he didn't get to ride on Hall's coattails, but still produced.
IIRC they had a few shift together, but yes, he was largely playing on another line, and special teams minutes.
I'm pretty sure Nemisz played mostly second line right wing and third line centre. That was one of the pluses with Nemisz, he didn't get to ride on Hall's coattails, but still produced.
I think he was first line RW with Hall for a bit, then moved to second line Center when they acquired Kassian(?) and as Shugg emerged as a player.
Actually the more I think about it he was the RW on the line with Hall and Henrique quite a bit during the 2008-2009 season and Memorial Cup. He was for sure second line center on the 2010 Memorial Cup team and I think was on a line with Wellwood.
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I thought he was first line RW with Hall for a bit, then moved to second line Center when they acquired Kassian(?) and as Shugg emerged as a player.
I do know that he was the RW on the line with Hall and Henrique quite a bit during the 2008-2009 season and Memorial Cup. He was for sure second line center on the 2010 Memorial Cup team and I think was on a line with Wellwood.
i was under the impression he played 2nd line all season, i remember reading he was moved there to spread the offence and have their 2nd line also as a shut down line
I think he was first line RW with Hall for a bit, then moved to second line Center when they acquired Kassian(?) and as Shugg emerged as a player.
I do know that he was the RW on the line with Hall and Henrique quite a bit during the 2008-2009 season and Memorial Cup. He was for sure second line center on the 2010 Memorial Cup team and I think was on a line with Wellwood.
Whoever he played with he played on a high powered team that scored a lot of goals. He would not likely have put up the same totals on a team like Chilliwack.
2010-11 Chilliwack 33-31-4-4 74 pts in 72 games 224 goals scored
2009-10 Windsor 50-12-1-4 106 pts in 68 games 331 goals scored
Not only are you comparing different teams, but comparing different leagues. Horak put up some pretty good numbers this year and did that with Howse. Hopefully some of that familiarity will move up to Abbotsford and Playfair can help these 2 translate that skill into the pro game
I never said purposely held back which makes it sound like he was punishing guys it's just that guys like Giordano, Prust, Pelech, Montador in his mind never seemed to be as good as the Zyuzin's, Marchments, Hale's, Eriksson's, Premeau's, etc. that were all over the hill or never any good despite making millions on 1 way deals. It was never just about skill or ability with Darryl Sutter as experience seemed to be overemphasized. The Flames rarely called up playerd from the farm as there were always vets or UFA scrubs in the pressbox. We really can't say if Giordano is where he is today if he didn't play hardball. I'm not making up the perception. It's out there and like I said before the low morale at Abbotsford is testament to the prevailing culture of farm players never getting a shot.
Yes you directly are making up that perception and can't point to one case in terms of proof that it isn't you making it up. If you try to use the Erixon I'm afraid I win. Unfortunately your revised history and people like Puckluck don't take into account the young players like Boyd etc that never failed to fail for Sutter, forcing him to play percentages and rely on vets. McEllhinney (sp?), Boyd, Pardy, Gio, hell Lombardi and many others are examples of players not really stepping it up. So what do you do, you make a decision that you go with a known quantity. That's not a flaw.
The agents and players know the real story not some connect the dots assumptions that you are promoting as now fact but is, I'm afraid, opinion.
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Some of you guys are in full denial mode. The whole world sees it except for a handful of posters here.
The Flames have a bad reputation among young players whether you guys deny it or not. When you go out and sign or trade for bums like Staios, Stajan, Byron Ritchie, and Slowdin you really aren't earning a good reputation among your young players in Abbotsford waiting for their chance.
Hopefully Feaster can do away with the reputation which is real. And that reputation is pretty well earned.
What are these players (note plural) that you know of that the org has a bad reputation with? Name these names.
What other areas of the world you mention that know everything we don't here can you be specific about?
Stajan? What's he in your list for?
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Stajan? What's he in your list for?
Erixon, didn't want to take the normal route to the NHL, he believed the
hype and felt he was a super star. He wanted top dollar and a fast track
to the NHL. From the moment they drafted him he didn't look to me like
he wanted to be here. Just my opinion.
Pelech and Brodie development kept Pelech and Brodie from getting 10 game NHL tryouts in the eyes of the Calgary Flames. If Pelech and Brodie were NHL ready they would have been in the NHL and trades for Carson, and MiKkelson would not have been made. Carson is younger than Pelech and Mikkelson is the same age. I believe both are further along actually than either of Pelech or Brodie. It is the responsibility of the player to show he is NHL ready to make decisions difficult for management not to put them in the lineup. It's not the responsibility of management to say here you go, you've been in the AHL for awhile you deserve a tryout. As for Brodie, the best place for him to learn the position of defence was in the hands of Playfair, and hopefully he can push for a fulltime spot this year. He has to make the decision difficult for Calgary not to send him back. It's the way professional sports is, and should be.
Mikkelson played 34 games in 2008-09 and 28 games in 2009-10 for the Ducks
Carson played 5 games in 2008-09 and 54 games in 2009-10 for the Hurricanes
Pelech played 5 games for the Flames in total.
I have no idea if Mikkelson and Carson played their way on the Ducks/Canes roster or were "handed" the spot. But either way, seems to me Ducks/Canes were willing to stick with them and both players got a fair look instead of being sent down after their first turnover (I am wildly guessing here neither Mikkelson and Carson played Norris caliber hockey and they made fair shares of mistakes but alas both lasted 50+ games while guys like Pelech, Brodie or Ramholt last anywhere from several games to several shifts).
Erixon, didn't want to take the normal route to the NHL, he believed the
hype and felt he was a super star. He wanted top dollar and a fast track
to the NHL. From the moment they drafted him he didn't look to me like
he wanted to be here. Just my opinion.
I agree. And there were more scenes from the draft with his dad looking downcast after his son was picked by the Flames, there is footage that isn't on Youtube. I recall the dad's sour reaction. So I'm not surprised by events, and not that disappointed. The Rangers had a line on this kid, I think. Live by the sword, die by the sword. We'll see who comes out on top. Feaster played the hand he was dealt.
