[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Chucko might be on the bubble, but I think there is no way the Flames don't offer Pelech a contract. He may or may not be NHL ready, but he is definitely serviceable in Abbotsford. I'd like to see him stay, and really push for that 6/7 spot in Calgary.

If we need a defenseman who is "serviceable in Abbotsford", the Heat can sign a scrub to an AHL contract, and not waste one of our 50 contracts. What's Pelech going to do for us? If we determine that we desperately need another body come September, we can pick up another Mikkelson or Carson off waivers.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

What the Rangers scouts saw in Horak:

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=564587

The hf stuff about his work ethic is contradictory to what NHL scouts are saying about him

He sounds Hemskyish, which is not a bad thing.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

He sounds Hemskyish, which is not a bad thing.

Hopefully he isn't Pavel Brendlish? Wouldn't it be awesome if he was Jagrish though, although I would take Hemskyish!

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

What the Rangers scouts saw in Horak:

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=564587

The hf stuff about his work ethic is contradictory to what NHL scouts are saying about him

who knows when HF actually wrote that... they haven't updated more than where he is playing since his draft year from what I can tell

it also says lazy without the puck, not lazy in general... which sounds like alot of goal scorers to be honest

that said one thing that impressed me is he came over to the WHL after being drafted, likely at the request of the Rangers... that tells e he is willing to listen and do what is needed to advance to the next level

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

He sounds Hemskyish, which is not a bad thing.

An AHL version of Hemsky most likely. I wouldn't get hopes too high about this kid. There is a reason he is thrown into a deal with 2 second rounders for another prospect. Horak's chances of making it are slim.

If you compare his scoring rates in his 19 year old season, Horak is shy offensively of guys like Nemisz, Boyd, and Wahl.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looks like the answer is Ronald Petrovicky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Petrovicky

9th round pick in 1996

edit: well hes slovakian but he was born when the countries were unified

2002 the Flames drafted a kid named Jiri Cetkovsky in the 5th round

there are a few other Czechs we drafted over the years by us but none played an NHL game since Reichel

[shutout]

Was the Erixon camp willing to go back in the draft to any other team, or were they bluffing. Any other team would have wanted to have a deal in place before a trade within 48 hours of the deadline, so it would be easy enough for the agent to tell other teams that he was not interested in going there. Leaving just the Rangers as the only option.
Either the Rangers deal was the best deal from a number of teams or the Rangers deal was the only deal because that is the only place where Erixon wanted to go. If he went back into the draft the other teams just have to be told he is not going there and he would have fallen to the Rangers.
Reality the trade is: Rangers – Erixon, 5th round pick, 1st round pick Flames – Horak, two 2nd round picks
Or else it would be: Rangers – Erixon Flames – 2nd round pick
Not sure which is better for Calgary, but I definitely see that the Rangers screwed us over. Did the Rangers get inside information from the player, family, or agent? That would be tampering.
Did Erixon decide to string the Flames along so that the Rangers would not have to give up the #15 pick? Possible and good strategy if you want to go to a team that has lots of good assets.
Somebody with the Flames needed to be looking at all the options, talking to any and all sources, and making some hard decisions.
As it stands, the Flames were either incompetent in finding out information, ignorant in ignoring the information, or the equivalent of the A&W Root Bear who is just out bouncing around looking for hugs and love and they were to naive to consider they were being screwed with. Either way it is brutal mismanagement of a top asset for the organization.
This is how Feaster manages a hockey team, through mistakes and apologies.

[kyuss275]

[QUOTE=Oil Stain;3142300]An AHL version of Hemsky most likely. I wouldn't get hopes too high about this kid. There is a reason he is thrown into a deal with 2 second rounders for another prospect. Horak's chances of making it are slim.

If you compare his scoring rates in his 19 year old season, Horak is shy offensively of guys like Nemisz, Boyd, and Wahl.[/QUOTE

I would not say his chances are slim, but he is not going to be a top6 forward.

[troutman]

Howse in the House (Fan 960) at 2:25 pm . . .

[flambers]

Originally Posted by shutout

Was the Erixon camp willing to go back in the draft to any other team, or were they bluffing.



This is how Feaster manages a hockey team, through mistakes and apologies.

No way it was a bluff, agent told the Flames they were willing to have the player go back into the draft as they felt Erixon would be drafted higher than 23rd.

At that point, it was a Flames decision... which in my view was really simple. They try to obtain maximum amount of assets in return that exceed's a 54th overall pick.

As for the last statement. Most if not all of the concerns which was aired on the Radio that Feaster described were from the Previous Management.

Concern's the agent brought up describe D. Sutter fairly well. (old players vs. young players.... ie not giving the young players the opportunity. Cap heavy team with lots of NMC, AHL was prefered over Europe... )

Now its Feaster's job to make sure this perception goes away.....

[troutman]

Can the Flames file complaints?

1) The Agent did not bargain in good faith.

2) The Rangers may have tampered.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by troutman

Can the Flames file complaints?

1) The Agent did not bargain in good faith.

2) The Rangers may have tampered.

no harm in trying

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by troutman

Can the Flames file complaints?

1) The Agent did not bargain in good faith.

2) The Rangers may have tampered.

They should. Rule #1 in negotiating a contract is that both parties will act in good faith.

But does the good faith "law" only apply to contracts that are only signed? Since he never signed anything with the Flames I wonder if it would apply.

[Ashasx]

Flames won't even waste their time. There's no doubt there was tampering here, but it's the New York Rangers.

The better the Rangers do, the better the NHL does.

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by troutman

Howse in the House (Fan 960) at 2:25 pm . . .

kid sounds like a real professional on the radio, and nothing but good to say about Roman. This is a pretty good interview

[Codes]

I'm still really choked over the whole ordeal.

But welcome to Calgary, Roman.

[Hockeyguy15]

Recap of the interview please?

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

kid sounds like a real professional on the radio, and nothing but good to say about Roman. This is a pretty good interview

I really hope he makes the team one day. I can already hear the Talking Heads "burning down the house" when he scores.

[CofR]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Recap of the interview please?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...05#post3142405

Originally Posted by CofR

Not sure where to put this, so I'll post it here. Highlights of Kerr's interview with Ryan Howse:

- Enjoys watching the playoffs, is disappointed the Flames didn't make it, but watching the NHL playoffs means a lot to him now as a drafted player.
- Is disappointed to see the Bruins move to Victoria, says the fans in Chilliwak are awesome, and will still be looking forward to being in the area next year with the Heat. The rumours began flying about halfway through the season, but didn't allow it to affect their on ice play.
- Says Horak is a good hockey player, has improved immensly in the two years they have played together, is a very smooth skater, has great vision, Helped Howse a lot with his scoring. Good pk player, and is very excited to be with the Flames.
- Horak is very muscular, and very athletic, and does not seem to get run over, or hit very often.
- Says Horak is very mature, and has a great personality. Believes he will fit in very well with the Flames organization.

- Howse says that he grew a lot this season, and had a lot of help from his coaches. Lots of support from the team on the ice and off the ice.
- Says his overall game "absolutely" grew, and worked a lot on his defensive positioning, and killed penalties.
- Says he was banged up at the end of the playoffs.

- Says he uses his twitter account to answer questions from fans and is a pretty approachable guy.

Sorry everybody, I had to take a call in the middle and missed a whole bunch of stuff... But hopefully it will be up in the audio on demand section shortly.

[edslunch]

I'd love to know how this Erixon thing is playing around the league. Has anyone heard any opinions from current or recent NHL management about it (excluding the Flames and Rangers if course)?