Congresswoman and 17 others shot in Arizona

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by stamphater

It would make it easier to crack down on it, whether you believe it or not. I think you missed my point.

I'm fine with Rifles and all that stuff but handguns should be outlawed. My two cents...

I would be willing to bet that a lot more deaths from shotguns and rifles happen than Handguns. Don't forget the SKS is a single fire RIFLE....

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by stamphater

Exactly! Mein Kampf is one of the most interesting books I've ever read. Doesn't mean I'm going out to terminate Jews...

Really? I found it to be the insane ramblings of a delusional moron.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Wouldn't matter if I lived in Iowa or Wisconsin or even Florida. I will not allow someone to put a weapon in my face at my home. I guess you are fine with being packed into rail cars and being put into camps and killed.

Are you really playing the holocaust card, or did I misunderstand you?

[stamphater]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I would be willing to bet that a lot more deaths from shotguns and rifles happen than Handguns. Don't forget the SKS is a single fire RIFLE....

Are you kidding me? You are out to lunch if you think that is the case. Handguns are easily concealed, cheap and easy to find if you look at the right places. These spree shooters tend to use high powered weapons but spree shooter are very rare. Most homicides are spur of the moment and I remember a statistic that somewhere in the neighbourhood of 80% of murders are committed with a handgun. I'll try and find the exact stats...

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by stamphater

Does having a gun stop people from trying to break into a house? How many break-in's are there in Bama each year? Cradling your gun as you fall asleep doesn't change anything...

None have happened in my house. I actually don't have them loaded up right now. They are however in the gun safe locked up with two mags next to the pistol and the shotgun is emptied and locked while inside the safe.

But funny that you say something like that when i was having an issue with my neighbor. He was pounding on my windows and kicking my door since I called security on him for his 4am party. I went to the door and asked if he had a problem. Well his gangbanging buddy went sprinting to his car. I was armed and he laid on the ground until the police showed up. Guess what? He was going after his gun in his car... I could of been dead but I'm not, I took action to protect myself and my family and one less "blood" or "crip" is running the streets.

Does this make me a nut job? No, just because some idiot (because that is what he is) goes out and kills in cold blood a bunch of innocent people doesn't mean that I have to be bunched in with him.

I love the stereotypes that are thrown around on this board by some of you canadians. Some of you act like your sh*t doesn't stink, just a word of advice, we are all HUMANS. We all fall in the same category. Just because you think all of us Americans are "fat" or "stupid" we can show a "fat" or "stupid" canadian. But FOX NEWS IS THE DEBIL!?!!?!? yes they are the debil because they are a conservative tv station. But the other Clinton news network or Comunistmsnbc are okay since they dribble their agendas? Okay....

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Are you really playing the holocaust card, or did I misunderstand you?

You want me to go into a slavery route? It's the same thing, allowing someone to come into your own house and endanger your family and your life and you don't do a damn thing about it is only going to bring more of it. Just like what the poor jewish people had and the poor slaves. They first allowed it and it got worse and worse.

[stamphater]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Really? I found it to be the insane ramblings of a delusional moron.

It's a bit rambling but most manifestos tend to be. Just like Atlas Shrugged is as well. With Mein Kampf, I could see how people bought into the deception that Hitler spun. I'm a writer and he wrote that magnificently, IMO. It was a little terrifying how well he put his argument forward actually.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by PIMking

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Don't want to start an argument with canadians who think weapons are just bad and should be outlawed

I will respond to your " Why didn't you do anything about it?" and "I, the gun toting American would have dropped his ass" comment and "What kind of area do you live in." comment. Before your ninja edit.

One, you missed the jist of the post. The whole point was had I had a gun at that moment, I would have used it then and there, because I was emotionally charged, and wanted revenge. But being just a normal schmuck, living in a very docile non crime ridden area (an apartment in Acadia), a gun was the last thing you would have expected to need. Unfortunately, gun vs fist, usually goes to gun. If the guy had not been armed, and taken a swing, sure, I would have mixed it up, but attacking someone with a gun pointed at your forehead, and his finger on the trigger is a pretty high risk gamble, not worth dying for.

The problem is virtually all hardened criminals are armed, where as maybe, 10% of the normal population is. But the answer is not to arm yourself, it is to just live somewhere, and avoid situations and people that can put you in those scenarios. I divorced myself from that entire group of people shortly after that, and found friends that don't do hard drugs, and don't steal cars, and don't associate with scum.... and voila, I have never been in a situation similar since. Easy solution.

I don't have one iota of guilt or shame for the outcome, because even if had I had exacted my revenge, I would still have to live with the fact I pulled the trigger, and he did not. Also the whole criminal record for murder could be a bummer to. Scrubbing toilets for the rest of my life is not a career I would have excelled at.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Have we settle down an started to blame the shooter and his instability?

Nobody's arguing the guy isn't a certifiable nutter.

And yeah, he's probably an Atheist too.

But since a political figure was targeted, it's a political issue. Arizona has a particularly volatile political climate.

Don't you think overly charged political rhetoric can incite mentally unstable folks to commit violence? You seem to think it does so with the Muslims.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Do you really think he chose to be a nutcase?

Was he a nutcase before he joined the military? If so, why did they allow him to enlist? If not, what made him a nutcase?

I could care less what made him a nutcase. I don't care what kind of messed up childhood he had, or if he got bullied because he picked his nose, or if he is angry because he wasn't the high scorer on the basketball team. I don't care if his mother was an alcoholic or if he had a dad that wasn't around.

My point is, I don't give a damn about him. He chose to pick up a gun and murder innocent people. That 9 year old girl he murdered makes me think it could have been one of my children. He can go to hell and die in prison for all I care. I have no compassion for him.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by stamphater

It's a bit rambling but most manifestos tend to be. Just like Atlas Shrugged is as well. With Mein Kampf, I could see how people bought into the deception that Hitler spun. I'm a writer and he wrote that magnificently, IMO. It was a little terrifying how well he put his argument forward actually.

Mein Kampf wasn't what bought people to his cause. He was one of the last of the naturally charismatic devils, who could rally people to the cause by his speeches and the power of his spoken word.

I actually had a relative that served during the second world war, and he told me that being in his presence was like being hypnotized, his rage and belief pulsed over you like a pressure wave.

He also built his whole empire around disenfranchisation (If thats a word) and pride generating rallies.

I didn't think that his book was that brilliantly written, I compare it to a teenager raging against the unfairness of the world and spewing a 100000 word argument without taking a breath.

I did several papers in university on Hitler and the grand illusion.

There have been very few like him in the last 100 years.

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by PIMking

None have happened in my house. I actually don't have them loaded up right now. They are however in the gun safe locked up with two mags next to the pistol and the shotgun is emptied and locked while inside the safe.

But funny that you say something like that when i was having an issue with my neighbor. He was pounding on my windows and kicking my door since I called security on him for his 4am party. I went to the door and asked if he had a problem. Well his gangbanging buddy went sprinting to his car. I was armed and he laid on the ground until the police showed up. Guess what? He was going after his gun in his car... I could of been dead but I'm not, I took action to protect myself and my family and one less "blood" or "crip" is running the streets.

Does this make me a nut job? No, just because some idiot (because that is what he is) goes out and kills in cold blood a bunch of innocent people doesn't mean that I have to be bunched in with him.

I love the stereotypes that are thrown around on this board by some of you canadians. Some of you act like your sh*t doesn't stink, just a word of advice, we are all HUMANS. We all fall in the same category. Just because you think all of us Americans are "fat" or "stupid" we can show a "fat" or "stupid" canadian. But FOX NEWS IS THE DEBIL!?!!?!? yes they are the debil because they are a conservative tv station. But the other Clinton news network or Comunistmsnbc are okay since they dribble their agendas? Okay....

You might want to move. Just saying.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by T@T

Are you suggesting the United states would be like Mexico if they banned handguns and assault rifles? Mexico is what it is because of years of corrupt government and police.

How about use Britain, Sweden, France, Canada and many many more instead using a country under basically a civil war as your example.

There is ZERO reason why a citizen should possess a handgun or assault rifle..period.

I agree with you. However, whenever I ask people here about guns and make the comment that hand guns and assault weapons aren't legal in Canada, much more restrictions etc- I get this answer 'It's in our Constitution.'

Constitution means everything in the US. And of course, the right to bear arms was probably necessary when the constitution was created. For a regulated militia...

(I don't get it either, just saying that's the response I get)

[Stimpy]

There are a lot of heads being planted in the sand at the moment. This kid is just an isolated wacko who was not politically motivated. We seem to be hearing a lot of that lately.

James von Brunn shot and killed a security guard at the National Holocaust Museum. He was a White Supremest and a birther, but this was an isolated incident and not politically motivated.

Byron Williams was arrested on his way to "start a revolution" by shooting employees at liberal nonprofits the Tides Foundation and the ACLU. He admitted that he was following through on information he got from Glenn Beck. But this was another isolated incident that was not politically motivated.

Nine members of a Christian anti-government Militia were arrested for plans where they would ambush and assassinate law enforcement personnel. They were hoping to start a war between the government and other militias. But this was another isolated incident that was not politically motivated.

Andrew Joseph Stack flew his small plane in the Austin, TX, IRS building because of issues he had with the government. He was an anti-tax Tea Party type and spoke of his disdain for the government. But this was another isolated incident that was not politically motivated.

Joshua Cartwright died in a gun battle with police after killing two sheriff deputies in Florida. The guy was a White Supremest didn't like the idea of a black man in the White House and was hoping to start a race war. But this was another isolated incident that was not politically motivated.

James G. Cummings was shot to death by his wife, preventing him from finishing and using a dirty bomb. She said he was very upset Obama was elected and wanted to make a statement. But this was another isolated incident that was not politically motivated.

Three Pittsburgh police officers were killed in plot by anti-government White Supremests. They were upset and afraid Obama would come and take their guns. So they set a trap and assassinated three law enforcement offices. But this was another isolated incident that was not politically motivated.

Gregory Lee Giusti was arrested and later convicted for threatening the life of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Giusti made 48 threats before being taken into custody for a death threat. But this was another isolated incident that was not politically motivated.

A package addressed to DHS Secretary, Janet Napolitano, blew up in a postal facility. Several other packages like this have been sent to Democrat representatives.But this was another isolated incident that was not politically motivated.

There's a pattern forming here. But it's an isolated pattern and not politically motivated.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by pylon

I will respond to your " Why didn't you do anything about it?" and "I, the gun toting American would have dropped his ass" comment and "What kind of area do you live in." comment. Before your ninja edit.

One, you missed the jist of the post. The whole point was had I had a gun at that moment, I would have used it then and there, because I was emotionally charged, and wanted revenge. But being just a normal schmuck, living in a very docile non crime ridden area (an apartment in Acadia), a gun was the last thing you would have expected to need. Unfortunately, gun vs fist, usually goes to gun. If the guy had not been armed, and taken a swing, sure, I would have mixed it up, but attacking someone with a gun pointed at your forehead, and his finger on the trigger is a pretty high risk gamble, not worth dying for.

The problem is virtually all hardened criminals are armed, where as maybe, 10% of the normal population is. But the answer is not to arm yourself, it is to just live somewhere, and avoid situations and people that can put you in those scenarios. I divorced myself from that entire group of people shortly after that, and found friends that don't do hard drugs, and don't steal cars, and don't associate with scum.... and voila, I have never been in a situation similar since. Easy solution.

I don't have one iota of guilt or shame for the outcome, because even if had I had exacted my revenge, I would still have to live with the fact I pulled the trigger, and he did not. Also the whole criminal record for murder could be a bummer to. Scrubbing toilets for the rest of my life is not a career I would have excelled at.

No ninja edit, I just changed it because I'm tired of all the "american's are trash" crap. That's why I edited it. Because it already turned into it and I was trying to change it so this didn't escalate to something worse.

because to some one here Americans are only the scum and worthless people in the world. Some cant seem to think that this guy was a complete moron! He just killed innocent people, there isn't a single real reason to ever kill someone. But it turned into the "fox news, palin, vs Liberal" drabble.

[pylon]

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[Reggie Dunlop]

Until the search for the alleged second suspect is resolved (capture or dismissed), there's still more to this story.

[CaptainCrunch]

This thread has taken several disturbing turns.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by pepper24

You might want to move. Just saying.

I plan on it. When we moved down here we just researched it. I never got to look at the apartment before we got here. it's not really a bad place. However they neglected to tell us that our lease auto renewed if we didn't tell them 30 days before it expired. So we planned on moving out but since we showed up 27 days until our lease expired we were locked into another year and $100 more a month in rent.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Nobody's arguing the guy isn't a certifiable nutter.

And yeah, he's probably an Atheist too.

But since a political figure was targeted, it's a political issue. Arizona has a particularly volatile political climate.

Don't you think overly charged political rhetoric can incite mentally unstable folks to commit violence? You seem to think it does so with the Muslims.

Reggie there is NO evidence whatsoever of political rhetoric being the spark that lit this fuse. None. That poor lady was a victim. Random. Not a selected target hunted down. People in this thread immediately blamed every conservative from Sarah Palin to Ronald Reagan with no evidence whatsoever. NONE. That is pathetic and they should be ashamed.

It would be no different if I blamed all Muslim for this. Absolutely no evidence....but hey...I am sure it was their fault. PATHETIC!