[Signing] Flames sign Huberdeau to long term extension (8 yrs, $10.5 mil AAV)

[OminousFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Also, so the Panthers put Tkachuk on their top line so he can score big numbers...okay about that second line.

Not that the Panthers are relevant to the Flames but they won't be winning the presidents trophy this season IMO

I also think Ottawa, Detroit, Montreal and Buffalo will make for better competition this coming year. I don't see Florida or Toronto having the same success. Boston may fall off a bit too I think.

[Aarongavey]

That is a great signing. Never a problem with potentially overpaying your studs by a couple hundred thousand.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Lucic is going nowhere. Sutter loves him. He loves the team

And more importantly, he took one for the team. He is only leaving if he wants to

It would be like getting rid of Andrew Ference, inconceivable.

[Moneyhands23]

Is it after next season that the cap can start going up again?

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Florida had Barkov and still felt they should upgrade to MT and include 3 other pieces

Not exactly. FLA had to make a choice with 2 pending UFAs they knew they couldn’t afford to keep in the near term. The cap will go up substantially but not for 2/3 years, which meant they couldn’t have kept them when they came due.

So they decided to go with cap certainty on a younger player. Roll of the dice on both sides but less so for the flames as tkachuk wasn’t going to sign anyway.


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[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Not exactly. FLA had to make a choice with 2 pending UFAs they knew they couldn’t afford to keep in the near term. The cap will go up substantially but not for 2/3 years, which meant they couldn’t have kept them when they came due.

So they decided to go with cap certainty on a younger player. Roll of the dice on both sides but less so for the flames as tkachuk wasn’t going to sign anyway.


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Sure I agree and understand it from their perspective that it isn’t just a 1 year thing

And I have no problem with the argument for next year JH may be better then MT either

I don’t think MT nor JH are superstars in these league - and that isn’t to knock them

A superstar to me can single handidly take over a game and carry the team on their shoulders . They are first ballot HoFers . Untradeables.

McKinnon, McDavid, Matthew’s, Makar, Hedman, Ovy, Crosby, Malkins - These are the superstars of the last 20 years (I know there’s more doing a quick list)

If JH does what he has done a few more seasons and has some playoff success he could enter the conversation as a later bloomer aka Marty St.L , he’s just not a superstar IMO yet

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Just wait until Coronato signs and goes on Huberdeau's opposite wing.

Haven’t been keeping up. Is he slated to finish school or will he turn pro earlier?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

Paying a superstar 1m "too much" is pretty inconsequential if that was even the case.
Paying 12m for players like Lucic and Mony is what hurts. I really hope 23 can get back to some of his former self for his sake and the teams.

Overpaying any player contributes to cap hell. Lucic was once a player that could play top six, and got paid like it. When he became the 4th liner he was expected to be in his later years, that's when he became overpaid and an anchor to the team he played for. Monahan is a warning about long-term deals. Injuries can really side track a good contract and turn it into a nightmare of an albatross that follows the team around.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames paid over 12M to Monahan/Lucic last season and won the division in a landslide

Sure, with a first line that featured three 40+ goal scorers and players who scored 115, 104, and 82 points respectively. Gone are two of those 40+ goal scorers and the two players who broke the 100 point barrier. The 115 point player has been replaced. Missing from that line is 50+ goals and a player with 100 point skill. That needs to be replaced which is why celebration may be a little premature.

10.5M with a 120+M cap won't be that big of a deal, I suspect the guy can still play. Also, if you are never willing to pay a star just fold the franchise.

When is this $120M cap rolling around? The players still have a billion dollars in escrow to repay. That isn't being returned quickly. The CBA will expire before the potential for a $120M cap is likely to occur. Signing this deal with the expectation that revenues are and the cap going to grow by 43% is foolhardy. Spend to what you know you have not what you think you're going to get.

Originally Posted by Plett Me Tell You

Tre has turned a post season turd into lemonade. Not sure it’s sweet enough but damn it’s refreshing.

Yes he has. Now he just needs to sweeten that lemonade to make it worth buying. He'll do that by getting Weegar signed long-term and bringing in a winger to complete the top line. Lucic, Monahan, and Backlund may have to move on to allow this to happen. Treliving has completed step two of a multi-step plan B. We'll see what he does, but this will continue to be a rollercoaster off season I'm sure. So far, so good!

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by loosecannon3

Why do people seem to think Huberdeau will age well? I’m not saying he won’t and I hope he will, but what makes people think so? He’s less physical?

He has elite vision and hands. Those don’t degrade as fast as skating and shot power.

Adam Oates - another great passer - was still scoring over a point a game and leading the league in assists at age 39. Other elite playmakers have also aged well - Thornton put up a point a game at 36, and H Sedin had 73 points as a 35 year old.

[btimbit]

Playmakers do seem to last longer into their 30s than grinders or pure goal scorers

[USflamesfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

He has elite vision and hands. Those don’t degrade as fast as skating and shot power.

Adam Oates was still scoring over a point a game at age 39.

Exactly, I think Florida underestimated how much Huberdeau meant to the team. I think there offense takes a hit this year. Tchakuk does offense better with an elite passer and vision guy.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

He has elite vision and hands. Those don’t degrade as fast as skating and shot power.

Adam Oates - another great passer - was still scoring over a point a game and leading the league in assists at age 39.

This and he’s also a fitness freak, that’s doesn’t hurt either.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Haven’t been keeping up. Is he slated to finish school or will he turn pro earlier?

He us definitely going back this year. I think he us motivated to sign before finishing school from his interviews.

Hopefully it's at the end of this years NCAA season.

[Vinny01]

Is there really any reason to think this will age worse than had the Flames signed Gaudreau? I get there is one more year because the deal doesn’t kick in until next summer but I was happy if the Flames went $11M on Gaudreau so totally fine with this deal.

The franchise and fanbase needed this after the rejection.

Pretty crazy how this summer has gone. We have a new franchise player

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Haven’t been keeping up. Is he slated to finish school or will he turn pro earlier?

The Flames approached him this summer about signing his ELC but he declined and stated he wanted to play another year of NCAA.

Probably the right move for him.

They will go hard after him next summer though, and if he doesnt indicate a willingness to sign then, other options have to be considered.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Excited to see our breakouts this year sans the button hook. Maybe less drop passes too since that was a to Johnny thing.

I wonder who will do zone entries with Johnny gone.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I wonder who will do zone entries with Johnny gone.

This is a concern for sure.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I wonder who will do zone entries with Johnny gone.

Mangiapane will have to take that on more. As well Lindholm and Backlund.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Some people just want to complain............no matter what.

It's a sport. Just cheer and have fun. Life is too short.

If it wasn’t for anger, some people would have no blood pressure at all.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I wonder who will do zone entries with Johnny gone.

Posted it earlier, Lindholm. When the Flames acquired him, one of the selling points about Lindy before the transaction were his zone entry stats which were IIRC, considered elite.

Flames just never utilized it though since he eas instantly slotted on Gaudreaus wing and everything ran through Johnny .