Summer 2015 Prospect Ranking - Round 13 Run Off - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Bingo · 07-17-2015, 06:45 AM

Finger Cookin · 07-17-2015, 06:45 AM

Andersson gets my vote here, I was going to vote for him in 3-4 rounds ahead of Arnold.

Poe969 · 07-17-2015, 06:47 AM

Andersson for me too. I'm voting for the guy with more potential and I think Andersson has a chance to be a 3-4 guy while Arnold will be a third or fourth liner IMO.

PeteMoss · 07-17-2015, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

Andersson for me too. I'm voting for the guy with more potential and I think Andersson has a chance to be a 3-4 guy while Arnold will be a third or fourth liner IMO.

This here.

Red Menace · 07-17-2015, 08:13 AM

Andersson is 11th on my list.....Arnold 13th....
I've only voted for 3 guys so far in this whole process

sureLoss · 07-17-2015, 08:22 AM

Interesting stat on Andersson:

2012/2013 season in Malmo as a 16 year old in the Allsvenkan:
38gp 3g 8a 11pts

Andre Bukavosky (Capitals 2013 1st round pick and a forward) same team & same season (also his draft year) as an 18 year old:
43gp 4g 7a 11pts

Bootsy · 07-17-2015, 08:23 AM

Arnold for me, if he hits potential I believe he will be a Craig Conroy - lite , solid 3 line checking center who can fill in on the 2nd line and kill penalties.

RyZ · 07-17-2015, 08:25 AM

Top 4 D potential over bottom 6 F potential.

Cali Panthers Fan · 07-17-2015, 08:27 AM

Arnold because he is a consummate pro and has a much better chance at the NHL despite his limited upside. I think he's the kind of player you win championships with.

Andersson's conditioning issues scare me. One only has to look at Ryan Howse.

Displaced Flames fan · 07-17-2015, 08:38 AM

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Arnold for me, if he hits potential I believe he will be a Craig Conroy - lite , solid 3 line checking center who can fill in on the 2nd line and kill penalties.

This is how I view Arnold as well. I also think he's a sure bet to be an NHL regular.

I like Andersson, but I also liked the potential of Andrei Medvedev to when we picked him in the 2nd round. It's not talent that kept that guy out of the NHL.

Strange Brew · 07-17-2015, 10:08 AM

No wrong answer here. Two very different prospects but I'm taking Andersson based on hope more than anything else. Its not like I've ever seen him play other than highlights.

Vulcan · 07-17-2015, 10:21 AM

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This is how I view Arnold as well. I also think he's a sure bet to be an NHL regular.

I like Andersson, but I also liked the potential of Andrei Medvedev to when we picked him in the 2nd round. It's not talent that kept that guy out of the NHL.

Andersson is like 10 lbs. overweight. Medvedev was maybe 50lbs overweight. They aren't comparable. Andersson is a 2nd round pick, they won't be perfect at that point and they won't be perfect at our 13th best prospect either.

FlamesAddiction · 07-17-2015, 10:50 AM

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Andersson is like 10 lbs. overweight. Medvedev was maybe 50lbs overweight. They aren't comparable. Andersson is a 2nd round pick, they won't be perfect at that point and they won't be perfect at our 13th best prospect either.

Even if he ends up being the next Derek Morris, that would still be a great late 2nd rounder.

Not being in great shape as an 18 year old is not too alarming for me. The fact that he can keep up with his peers and not be in the best shape is telling about his skill level. If they slave drive him hard enough, they will force him into shape. Money has a way of motivating people.

Robbob · 07-17-2015, 11:28 AM

Anderssson knows what he needs to improve in that area so I don't have any concerns with that. He is saying all the right things right now. As Ryz mentioned, simply put top 4D potential vs Bottom 6F potential. Easy choice.

Stormchaser · 07-17-2015, 12:16 PM

tough one but chose Arnold.

N26 · 07-17-2015, 12:42 PM

Even if Arnold is at best a bottom 6 guy I feel he is potentially very important to the future of the team.

Teams with plugs and goons in there bottom 6 rarely go very far while champions have their Andrew Shaw's, Dwight King's. Gregory Campbell's, Kris Draper's Stephane Yelle's etc etc. Diverse talents that can play multiple roles like shutdown, agitator, faceoff specialist, top 6 injury replacement.

I look at Anaheim's bottom 6 last year and I see an issue. Tim Jackman, Emerson Etem, Jiri Sekac, Nate Thompson Tomas Fleischman and so on are all fairly one-dimensional. They needed more Rakells and Coglianos to get by. Shaw. Versteeg, Kruger, Bickel, Desjardins etc are far more diverse in their skill set.

If Calgary is a cup contender in 3-4 years who are our effective bottom 6ers? Backlund probably and then who? It is easily to trade and sign bottom 6 forwards but the truly effective ones are almost as hard to get as the top guys. When i look at potential bottom 6 players with diverse talents in our system I don't see enough. Ferland yes, Jooris maybe, Colborne maybe, Granlund possibly, Carroll big if, Hathaway big if, Elson probably not. But I look at Arnold and I see a really decent chance he can be one of those guys.

When I look at the top 4 D of this possible cup champ 3-4 years from now I see Brodie and Hamilton as almost certain, Giordano as probable and a large number of guys as the a potential number 4. Russell, Wotherspoon, Kylington, Culkin, Kulak, Hickey, Morrisson, Andersson and maybe even Rafikov.

I like Andersson. It was a good pick. I'm happy to have him but when people say top 4 D upside trumps bottom 6 forward I think that is always true in my fantasy pool but if I'm building a champion I need some effective bottom 6 forwards and I really like the look of Arnold.

Funkhouser · 07-17-2015, 12:51 PM

For anyone calling Arnold bottom-6...
Don't forget he centered the top line in NCAA and was Adirondack's #1 centre last year (his first in the AHL. He's not going to displace Monahan or Bennett, but seeing as he shoots right, I could see him playing wing in the top 6.

Caged Great · 07-17-2015, 12:52 PM

When I talked to Andersson, he seemed eager to address the issues with his conditioning so that it would be out of the way and he could focus on improving on the ice. We'll see if it was just lip service or not, but he did seem motivated. It didn't feel like he was just bsing.

Poe969 · 07-17-2015, 12:55 PM

I think the reason some people say a top 4 D trumps a bottom 6 forward is because it's a lot easier to pick up bottom 6 forwards in trades or UFA. It's pretty hard (apparently unless your Brad Treliving) to pick up a top 4 Dman without sacrificing much (again, apparently unless your Brad Treliving). If Andersson turns out to be a top 4 D it'll be easier in the future to get a bottom 6 player like Arnold but if we have an amazing bottom 6 and need a top 4 dman, we probably wouldn't get it that easily.

Point being, it's a lot easier to get a bottom 6 forward through trades and UFA than it is to get a solid top 4 Dman

dammage79 · 07-17-2015, 12:56 PM

Bennett (maybe), Backlund, Monahan, Jankowski and Arnold. Those are the C's of the future. Arnold, Janko and Monny are going to be the most important faceoff guys for the Flames moving forward. If Janko can keep trending upwards with his faceoff ability, and Arnold does the same with an already stellar pro season in the dot this team is going to be dominant.

I love Andersson, I've followed him since I saw his name on the CSS preliminary list released after Bennetts draft. I think there's some real upside there but Arnold has a more important value to the Flames. It's such a coin flip for me right now in these votes at this range. I could just as easily flip to Andersson but Arnold....Such a rock of a player. His college pedigree is just as valuable as Gaudreaus IMO. They made eachother better, it wasn't one sided between the two.