Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Educators could navigate this by just using non-gendered pronouns moving forward. I don’t think there is a situation where you have to refer to students as “him” or “her”. Name preferences might be trickier.

You can never go wrong with Bond callsigns.

"I'm taking attendance, Agent 001, are you present?"

"If Agent 004 has three apples and Agent 021 has eight apples, how many apples does Agent 015 have?"

"We're doing tug of war for gym class, Agents 007 and 014, you're team captains, pick your other Agents accordingly."

"You got an F, Agent 003. Try harder. This message will self destruct in 10 seconds."

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Goddamn, can we get rid of religious education already? ####ing embarrassment.

Sure, might as well just blow it up....the public board is currently knocking it out of the park isn't it?

"Religious education" died a long time ago.

[MarchHare]

When a vulnerable LGBTQ+ teen is forcibly outed by their school to their non-supportive parents and is then cast out of their home, physically abused, or even murdered, that teen's blood is on the hands of the UCP government and every Albertan who voted for them. And make absolutely no mistake, it's a matter of when -- not if -- this scenario will happen.

This is what you voted for, UCP supporters.

[Ozy_Flame]

Also, we're now referring to her as Marlaina going forward, right? Her birth name? Not her preferred name, right?

[Ozy_Flame]

Also thought this would be a fun article to necro-bump from 2014:

Edmonton Sun: Wildrose leader Danielle Smith makes passionate plea in legislature for gay-straight alliances

Wildrose leader Danielle Smith stands in the legislature Tuesday and talks about meeting kids at gay-straight alliances, groups in schools also known simply as GSAs.

For a year Smith thinks about a voice on the phone. A mother calls about her transgender son who wants a GSA in a school in Claresholm and is told no.

For a year Smith wonders what happened to the kid shut down by the adults at that school.

She also thinks of those other students at GSAs.

“Most of their parents didn’t know they were out yet,” says the Wildrose leader.

“Most of them knew if their parents knew there would be some consequences.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

I couldn't be more disgusted with this Government. I feel for the kids this will affect. If Jesus was alive today (TBA's Jesus) he would be puking.

[terryclancy]

David Parker’s toad brain must be very happy right now.

Marlaina has not a shred of decency in her and doesn’t care. This **** plays to that bedrock 37-riding head start.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Also, we're now referring to her as Marlaina going forward, right? Her birth name? Not her preferred name, right?

Don't you dare dead name her.

[KelVarnsen]

Dead name the bitch every damn day

[Johnny Makarov]

Pretty sure her name is still boobbus.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Made an appointment for blood work 1.5 months ago, show up today to a packed waiting room..."can you come back in a bit?" Lady in the parking lot was fuuuucking pissed.

So they haven't seemed to have fixed this problem yet.

Thorncliff. I don't think anybody knows it exists yet

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Ha. Somebody updated her wiki page to update her name.

And now I know she was aptly born on April Fools Day.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

Thorncliff. I don't think anybody knows it exists yet

LOL, that's where I was. Sorry it has been discovered.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

Thorncliff. I don't think anybody knows it exists yet

I messed up once and drove to Thornhill by mistake.

[timun]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I don't have children so this policy doesn't really affect me personally but one thing I can't understand is why there is SUCH pushback from parental consent and notification in specific areas? The state doesn't own or control the children, it's the parents who are responsible to raise children.

I fully understand that parental consent and notification may result in outing trans kids, causing undue hardship and trouble for teens who may be gay and such. It's an awful situation that shouldn't happen but it's just a reality of the situation.

On the reverse, if I have a child who may better identify with a particular gender, want a specific pronoun, is considering gender changing surgery, is trouble coping with being gay etc and the province does not inform the parents, is that right? Do we really want the government to make decisions on what's in the best interest of the child? Would the government take responsibility if my child committed suicide and I wasn't notified, thus not allowing me the opportunity to spare no expense, time and trouble to ensure that MY CHILD get's the best care available. Parents will go to extreme lengths to assist and help their child, leaving no stone unturned. Does the government?

I get that we live in different times than before but do we sometimes forget what happens when we give the government control over certain things, like parental control.

The same governments that allowed the absolute horrible scenarios that happened with residential schools are suppose to be looking after the best interest of the child? Was the state not looking after the best interest of the child then, as recently as the late 90's?

Do we not have an insane amount of issues with children services for abusers, sexual assault convicts, lawful and unlawful hospital apprehensions within specific communities. We have a bail and prison system that allows the sickest of individuals to be let out to commit the same offenses over and over again to children and we wonder why it happens? We have foster home and care issues where children are treated like flat out garbage and only kept around long enough for the money train to run out of fuel, then tossed onto the street at 18.

The same government's are then suppose to fully be looking after the child's best interest by NOT informing me if my child may or may not be having serious issues at school which COULD put them in a position to harm themselves?

It seems like with this issue some people have WAY TOO MUCH faith, hope and confidence in random government administration instead of their own parental and gut instincts. The vast majority of parents would be able to handle the described issues at school much better than the government would in my personal opinion.

Sigh... curves, you've go to be the single worst poster on CP for coming up with strawman arguments and total non-sequiturs that have NOTHING to do with what's going on. 85% of this post of yours is nonsense.

You've mischaracterized and invented fantasy scenarios that bear only a passing resemblance to reality. You're framing this argument as "the government" retaining info from parents, vs. keeping the parents informed: that's total BULL####. It's THE KIDS keeping info from their parents, not "random government administration". It's about the right of the KIDS to keep this information from their parents, and being able to confide in trusted teachers and friends.

Instead what the new bill is doing is INSERTING GOVERNMENT INTO IT, by ordering teachers to tell parents. Instead of allowing the kids the agency to make decisions about keeping their sexuality confidential—instead of allowing them a small glimmer of hope of being able to confide in a trusted adult at their school—that choice is taken away from them.

In effect, all it does is guarantee that those queer kids too afraid to tell their parents about it now have one less safe harbour.



You write "Parents will go to extreme lengths to assist and help their child, leaving no stone unturned," and I can't help but laugh. There are a lot of terrible parents out there. Boning somebody and front-poopin' a baby out nine months later doesn't make anyone an expert in anything. There are lots of parents of queer kids who've disowned them, sent 'em to "deprogramming" summer camps, or just tried to beat the gay out of 'em. Not every parent has their kid's best interests at heart.

Frankly you're a complete and utter idiot if you honestly believe that forcing teachers to out gay kids to their parents is "keeping government out of it": it's doing the exact opposite. Our UCP government are a bunch of hypocrites, and this policy is nothing but pandering to their socially-conservative base who are precisely the kinds of parents who'd disown or beat the #### out of their gay kids.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

LOL, that's where I was. Sorry it has been discovered.

Well, ####.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

Ignoring the trans component for a moment the notification for every class that contains sex Ed and opt in rather than opt out for instruction. Thats going to increase teen pregnancies.

Okay when did this change in Alberta, but I remember it being like this when I went to school, prior to 2006.

Small town Alberta, I remember parents pulling their kids out of sex-ed classes. Especially at later years.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by Azure

Okay when did this change in Alberta, but I remember it being like this when I went to school, prior to 2006.

Small town Alberta, I remember parents pulling their kids out of sex-ed classes. Especially at later years.

They've always been able to opt-out, the new policy seems to be that they would have to explicitly opt in.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Ashartus

They've always been able to opt-out, the new policy seems to be that they would have to explicitly opt in.

This. We always got an opt-out letter before they started a sexuality module in health. Now parents must opt in, and apparently (?) for every time it will be discussed, e.g. every day of the two-week (or whatever) module.

[Looch City]

Okay finally solved this LGBTQ stuff, now can we get onto the damn coloured people next? Replacement theory isn't a theory people!! It's happening.