Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Ashartus]

I've been unhappy with pretty much everything the UCP has done, but this one makes me feel sick. I've seen what happens when kids come out in families that don't support them. And the icing on the cake to have fundamentalists deciding what goes into our sex education (since we know the minister won't be approving anything without the go-ahead from his TBA bosses). My wife teaches in the Catholic board and was telling me how bad and backwards their sex education already is and how often she has to deviate from the "script" (apparently the curriculum can't really handle it when someone brings up their uncle marrying his boyfriend in discussion), I can't imagine what it will be like under this policy, and probably with discipline consequences if teachers don't follow the rules.

[Fuzz]

Goddamn, can we get rid of religious education already? ####ing embarrassment.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Wait, are you just now coming to grips with the irrationality of the average conservative? It's not weird, it's a feature.

I’ve voted in 7 or 8 provincial elections, and the only time I voted PC was in 2012 when Redford ran against the Wild Rose.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Sliver

They're such weasels. Come in here and own it. Explain to us why this is good for the province and its people. Or come in here and apologize to the rest of us for the UCP operating exactly how we said they would, but you were too dumb to see it.

Then on the next election grow a brain or acknowledge you're not equipped to realize you're believing moronic propaganda the rest of us can see right through. Hopefully then you'll take your fingers out of your ears and evaluate the parties and their leaders not in terms of blue/orange, but based on what they're offering Albertans. If you do that it would be impossible to choose UCP over NDP.

They’re over in the federal politics thread. They’ll come back here in droves once we have a non-conservative provincial government they can complain about.

For now they just claim they’re not that interested in provincial politics.

[Wormius]

Educators could navigate this by just using non-gendered pronouns moving forward. I don’t think there is a situation where you have to refer to students as “him” or “her”. Name preferences might be trickier.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Educators could navigate this by just using non-gendered pronouns moving forward. I don’t think there is a situation where you have to refer to students as “him” or “her”. Name preferences might be trickier.

Interesting how this is going to work for Jimmy now being James, or Tammy now being Tamara. It's not up to the teacher to decide what is a nickname, and what is gender bending. That's up to the government.

Will they have to clamp down on students coming from countries, where it is normal to English-ize their name upon arrival? It's not up to the teachers to decide about the deep sexual deviance of deciding to call yourself Margaret. That's up to the government.

[undercoverbrother]

Jesus ####ing Christ

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Slava

The problem with the consent required for kids under 16, is that not all parents are cool with this. So, now if the child wants to have different pronouns or a different name it can be done at their direction in the school. Forcing those kids to have their parents consent opens the door for that conflict (and unfortunately in some cases it is conflict). It’s a bad idea and I feel bad for those kids, because they already have enough to deal with.

And the “opt-in” for sex-ed is just ridiculous. I don’t even think I need to explain why that’s just plain stupid.

This is sadly true.

I have a good friend that is a teacher at a CCSD High School.

He has first hand accounts of this type of thing.

Not all parents love their children unconditionally.

[MoneyGuy]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752915628917137874

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Jesus ####ing Christ

Not even he can save us from this evil.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not even he can save us from this evil.

maybe one of the roughly 3000 other made up Sky Daddies can help.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752915628917137874

Ha. Somebody updated her wiki page to update her name.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Educators could navigate this by just using non-gendered pronouns moving forward. I don’t think there is a situation where you have to refer to students as “him” or “her”. Name preferences might be trickier.

We can go to student id numbers instead of names and it shouldn't offend anyone.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

We can go to student id numbers instead of names and it shouldn't offend anyone.

Or just keep things the way they were before ideologues took over the province.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Ironic with the Big Brother vibes that gives off.

Any person that commits their life in service of an omnipotent being who sees everything is more than willing to enact that same omnipresence in the earthly realm.

Religion =/= freedom no matter how many Christians fly that flag in a protest.

[iggy_oi]

How much additional compensation do you think the teachers union is going to be asking for in their upcoming rounds of collective bargaining now that teachers are expected to give parents a “diagnosis” of their child’s orientation?

All this because Danielle smith is a coward who has to soothe David Parker’s insecurities.

[Fuzz]

So what is this going to cost us in tax dollars for the court challenges on this one? I've gotta assume some of these restrictions on rights are not reasonable, and flagrantly violate the charter, but I'm not a law talkin' guy.

[MRCboicgy]

Really feeling sad and disheartened. Been trying to process this the past couple of days.

I would like to throw it out there: if anyone supports modern conservatism because it means "smaller government," nothing is further from the truth in 2024. Whether in the US or sadly now in Canada, the government is putting itself right where it shouldn't be, in this case under the guise of empowering parents.

On the personal side, I came out to a teacher way before I came out to my close friends (some knew) and years before my parents. I thank god every day for having an educator that I could trust in my life back then. It turns out - and I had no idea - that she had a gay son herself. I was freaking lucky, and it allowed me to keep pushing and get an education, then get a career and be a tax-paying member of society.

Believe me, every time I get a promotion or raise, and hit one of those 'magical' career milestones, I have to think if it wasn't for one teacher, I may not have had any of that.

Anyway, going after marginalized, at-risk youth, making it harder for them to simply get up and go get an education every day. Great job.

Here's the thing, where will this end? That's my question. They get this, it will only empower people like the aforementioned twitter troll to come up with other ways to hurt people that don't share their narrow world view.

Also, as someone who has grown up with multiple trans friends who went through the whole process in this freaking province starting 20+ years ago. I can state unequivocally - gender reassignment surgery does not happen on kids except in very, very extreme cases. End of story. So would y'all drop that please? Every time you bring that up as an example of what you are protecting, you show you do not know what happens in the real world with real trans kids.


ugh.

[MoneyGuy]

Hm. Does the new legislation require teachers to report to parents when a student comes out to them? Maybe the UCP missed that part.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Interesting how this is going to work for Jimmy now being James, or Tammy now being Tamara. It's not up to the teacher to decide what is a nickname, and what is gender bending. That's up to the government.

Will they have to clamp down on students coming from countries, where it is normal to English-ize their name upon arrival? It's not up to the teachers to decide about the deep sexual deviance of deciding to call yourself Margaret. That's up to the government.

or Patrick or Patricia becoming Pat