09-03-2024, 09:12 AM
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#61
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by jg13
They're really going to have 54.25M tied up in McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse, Campbell + Bouchard come 2026.
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If they don't win it this year, they're not winning it at all.
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09-03-2024, 09:14 AM
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#62
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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The cup run and the royal wedding in edmonton this summer did a lot for the team bonding. It's really the lack of normal things you hear around Edmonton this time of year that was indicative. IMO Connor will re-sign here too.
Still don't think they will ever win a cup with these two!
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09-03-2024, 09:15 AM
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#63
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Franchise Player
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Giving Drai a 5.5M raise doesnt help the Oilers win no matter how you spin it. They will be worse with less depth.
A massive haul for Drai would have been way better for them
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09-03-2024, 09:16 AM
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#64
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
The cup run and the royal wedding in edmonton this summer did a lot for the team bonding. It's really the lack of normal things you hear around Edmonton this time of year that was indicative. IMO Connor will re-sign here too.
Still don't think they will ever win a cup with these two!
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Connor was always going to sign. Don’t think anyone credible has said he won’t. He and his wife seem to really like Edmonton.
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09-03-2024, 09:21 AM
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#65
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Connor was always going to sign. Don’t think anyone credible has said he won’t. He and his wife seem to really like Edmonton.
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They tossed around numbers of 10-12 AAV for Leon. Sacrificing to win.
Makes the thought process they have of Borberg and Holloway even more hilarious. How could these 2 stand in the locker room knowing they took such large deals, while the stars of the team have sacrificed so much salary.
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09-03-2024, 09:21 AM
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#66
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Franchise Player
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Cue the Spector article that Draisaitl is worth $15M and $14 is an Edmonton discount because he knows this is where he'll win multiple cups!
I don't think he'll age poorly, I think he'll continue to be productive for many years. It's simply a fair contract. And the problem the Oilers have is that, with fair contracts for him, McDavid and Bouchard, along with the albatross of a contract to Nurse, is that there isn't a lot of cap left to build the rest of the team. That's why the cap is great - it's a zero-sum game.
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09-03-2024, 09:22 AM
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#67
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
I wish he left. I was assured he was leaving. I don’t like him and he’s annoying. This means McDavid is staying too. Lame.
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Agreed. I think there's bit of coping happening by some, which I understand since we all hate the Oilers. If you have a top 10 player on your team, you try to keep him and deal with the cap issues afterwards. No doubt it makes it more difficult for them to build a winner with 2 guys eating up that much cap, but it's a tough pill for fans to swallow if you trade them away. We can all relate to trading away a top 10 player and we'd all reverse that deal if we could.
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09-03-2024, 09:22 AM
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#68
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Connor was always going to sign. Don’t think anyone credible has said he won’t. He and his wife seem to really like Edmonton.
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Last summer and the one before that there was tons of noise about how unhappy she was and thus was making him. They really don't like how Edmontonians won't leave them alone. She hated all the commentary on her house. She hates the weather (obviously).
I never believed the idea he would re-sign. I also disagree that anyone credible was really commenting on it at all (can't trust Serravelli on Oilers ####, can't trust anyone in Edmonton) But things have changed.
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09-03-2024, 09:23 AM
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#69
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Powerplay Quarterback
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right or wrong i am mad at incompetence of former flames gm brad.
only guy in league can't keep his young stars.
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09-03-2024, 09:23 AM
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#70
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First Line Centre
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Big commitment to a guy with as many Stanley Cup final goals as the average CP poster.
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09-03-2024, 09:24 AM
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#71
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Cue the Spector article that Draisaitl is worth $15M and $14 is an Edmonton discount because he knows this is where he'll win multiple cups!
I don't think he'll age poorly, I think he'll continue to be productive for many years. It's simply a fair contract. And the problem the Oilers have is that, with fair contracts for him, McDavid and Bouchard, along with the albatross of a contract to Nurse, is that there isn't a lot of cap left to build the rest of the team. That's why the cap is great - it's a zero-sum game.
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The roster is in flux year to year, and it won't change for a while or when they are probably too old.
They have no picks, and will use the ones they have to make a move. They have no prospects. So it's not like they can put in cheap talent on the roster, they have to go shopping and spend money and picks or flawed players.
Building through free agency doesn't win cups. Have fun Oilers.
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09-03-2024, 09:24 AM
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#72
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Tbull8
Seeing talk on Twitter about draisaitl 8 year deal around 13.8. Wonder how true it is
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
That's Stauffer, I think it's wishful thinking. Matheson is reporting it's a 4 year deal and will be announced tmrw. We will see.
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I have said it before and I will say it again, I am more certain than anything I have ever said on here that McDavid is 100% leaving at the end of this contract. Holland knew it and bailed, Draisaitl knows it and will probably bail too, he is gone.
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
There is a reason Draisaitl and McDavid said Cup or bust before last year but the Oilers media don't want to see that message for what it was. I suspect because Draisaitl knows his best friend is moving on he has the same plans. If Draisaitl was going to sign it would have happened by now imo.
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Just three weeks ago I was told Draisatl will be gone. Now I'm not sure what to believe.
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I should probably stop posting at this point
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09-03-2024, 09:25 AM
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#73
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Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by Andrew
right or wrong i am mad at incompetence of former flames gm brad.
only guy in league can't keep his young stars.
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He is gone, we don't have to dwell on this anymore. Players have a right to choose where they play. Life is ultimately more important than Hockey.
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09-03-2024, 09:26 AM
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#74
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Cue the Spector article that Draisaitl is worth $15M and $14 is an Edmonton discount because he knows this is where he'll win multiple cups!
I don't think he'll age poorly, I think he'll continue to be productive for many years. It's simply a fair contract. And the problem the Oilers have is that, with fair contracts for him, McDavid and Bouchard, along with the albatross of a contract to Nurse, is that there isn't a lot of cap left to build the rest of the team. That's why the cap is great - it's a zero-sum game.
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But aging poorly is a sliding scale. If you're paying him to be a $14M dollar player and his evolution leads him to be a 80-90 point guy more often than not, it's a huge kick in the jewels for the organization.
He's going to slow down, it just comes down to what that actually is, but either way it will be an incredibly hard deal to live up to.
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09-03-2024, 09:27 AM
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#75
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by getbak
This is a higher percentage of the cap than the Toews and Kane third contracts were when they were signed. A McDavid extension will almost-certainly be even higher next year.
Chicago didn't win a single playoff series while the Toews and Kane contracts were active.
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But they did win one after they were signed. So, if they didn't sign the extensions, I doubt Chicago would have won the cup that year as they would have been rebuilding, presumably trading Toews and Kane.
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09-03-2024, 09:27 AM
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#76
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by activeStick
Agreed. I think there's bit of coping happening by some, which I understand since we all hate the Oilers. If you have a top 10 player on your team, you try to keep him and deal with the cap issues afterwards. No doubt it makes it more difficult for them to build a winner with 2 guys eating up that much cap, but it's a tough pill for fans to swallow if you trade them away. We can all relate to trading away a top 10 player and we'd all reverse that deal if we could.
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Reverse that deal and the Flames are still a bad team
If McDavid resigns the Oilers will be very average year 1 let alone year 8. Do the math, look at their prospects. The contracts themselves might not be bad but the team will be.
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09-03-2024, 09:28 AM
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#77
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I don't think he'll age poorly, I think he'll continue to be productive for many years. It's simply a fair contract. And the problem the Oilers have is that, with fair contracts for him, McDavid and Bouchard, along with the albatross of a contract to Nurse, is that there isn't a lot of cap left to build the rest of the team.
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Yeah, I think he'll be a good even great player for the bulk of the contract... but the Oiler will have zero room for (more) error.
If they have any more money to spend they should be spending it on scouts because they no longer need good players... they need good AND cheap players.
The path exists for them... but it's a very very narrow path.
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09-03-2024, 09:29 AM
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#78
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#1 Goaltender
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People saying Drai will age well, I don't know about that. One would think they will run to injury issues at some point after running him and McDavid to the ground for every single year in their primes.
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09-03-2024, 09:29 AM
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#79
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus
But aging poorly is a sliding scale. If you're paying him to be a $14M dollar player and his evolution leads him to be a 80-90 point guy more often than not, it's a huge kick in the jewels for the organization.
He's going to slow down, it just comes down to what that actually is, but either way it will be an incredibly hard deal to live up to.
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As is pretty much every 8 year deal for a third contract. You sign the contract and plug your nose. It only turns out well if you win the SC.
Of course, in 5 years, its entirely possible that 80-90 points equals a $14M player with the rising cap.
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09-03-2024, 09:30 AM
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#80
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
They tossed around numbers of 10-12 AAV for Leon. Sacrificing to win.
Makes the thought process they have of Borberg and Holloway even more hilarious. How could these 2 stand in the locker room knowing they took such large deals, while the stars of the team have sacrificed so much salary.
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I don’t think it was ever realistic that they would take a hometown discount. Nobody does that in any city. But if you negotiate the summer before free agency there is always a price that you can get your upcoming UFAs at.
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