[News] Blues offersheet Broberg (2 yrs, $4.580 mil AAV) and Holloway (2 yrs, $2.290 mil AAV)

[indes]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Can’t believe Bowman just stood by and watched as his vulnerable team was taken advantage of.

Post of the year candidate

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

To be that certain is a little weird. I mean a guess, sure, but I doubt anyone in the hockey world is connected enough to have a confident read on McDavid's intention this far out to the point of "he's 100% leaving".

I mean I could see him leaving, but I could easily see him signing the biggest contract in NHL history next summer, too. Like are you saying you have sources that know he's leaving ,or you're just that confident on gut that he's leaving?

I have very reliable sources he is moving on or I would not be so abdamnent.

[dammage79]

Id enjoy it if McDavid moved on from Edmonton, then I could enjoy watching him play.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have very reliable sources he is moving on or I would not be so abdamnent.

See that's the tough part for me. That you have multiple sources adamant he's leaving in two seasons, when there's no peep in the hockey world about the league's biggest star moving on from Edmonton.

I've read guesses and speculation about wanting to leave or possibly going to places closer to home (as there always is when stars get close to FA), but you're the only one I've heard have a 100% understanding that he's done in Edmonton. I mean, I would love it to be right, don't get me wrong, I just don't see how the player or agent have tipped that info to multiple sources that you've spoken to, but the rest of the hockey world is in the dark.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think McDavid leaving in 2 seasons is the obvious default assumption for anyone outside of the Oilers rose coloured umbrella. It might not happen, but it seems like the most reasonable thing to happen. Like if i had to bet, i wouldn’t bet on him staying there.

[MisterJoji]

HF complaining that Bowman should’ve prepared for this, should’ve offered Kylington a
multi-year deal.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's still some of the funniest #### ever.

Why would they leave? They just went to the finals and watcher Connor lead like a leader and never led.

I am laughing at the people who said that teams do not use offer sheets. What a time to be alive, of course a good team will use an offer sheet. It makes complete sense for NHL teams to weaponize cap space in this way.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

See that's the tough part for me. That you have multiple sources adamant he's leaving in two seasons, when there's no peep in the hockey world about the league's biggest star moving on from Edmonton.

I've read guesses and speculation about wanting to leave or possibly going to places closer to home (as there always is when stars get close to FA), but you're the only one I've heard have a 100% understanding that he's done in Edmonton. I mean, I would love it to be right, don't get me wrong, I just don't see how the player or agent have tipped that info to multiple sources that you've spoken to, but the rest of the hockey world is in the dark.

I am extremely confident where this coming from is accurate. Also, Ken Holland chose to not continue in an organization that barely missed winning the SC last season, he doesn't leave if he did not know this, no GM is deciding to ride off into the sunset when they are that close. The Oilers can't trade the biggest name in the game again, they can only try and convince him to stay but it isn't going to work. I believe the game plan is to put all the chips in this year, this is it. There is a reason Draisaitl and McDavid said Cup or bust before last year but the Oilers media don't want to see that message for what it was. I suspect because Draisaitl knows his best friend is moving on he has the same plans. If Draisaitl was going to sign it would have happened by now imo.

Edit, my sources are not hockey insider related, this info is coming from somewhere else.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think McDavid leaving in 2 seasons is the obvious default assumption for anyone outside of the Oilers rose coloured umbrella. It might not happen, but it seems like the most reasonable thing to happen. Like if i had to bet, i wouldn’t bet on him staying there.

For sure, I could easily see him leaving. What's difficult to understand is multiple sources leaking to dissentowner that it is 100% happening, but nobody else in the hockey world has got these leaks in what would be one of the biggest insider stories in the hockey world in decades?

Not saying diss is making it up, btw, more just that I'm surprised at the assuredness of this happening two years out from multiple sources that haven't leaked anywhere else but through Diss.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am extremely confident where this coming from is accurate. Also, Ken Holland chose to not continue in an organization that barely missed winning the SC last season, he doesn't leave if he did not know this, no GM is deciding to ride off into the sunset when they are that close. The Oilers can't trade the biggest name in the game again, they can only try and convince him to stay but it isn't going to work. I believe the game plan is to put all the chips in this year, this is it. There is a reason Draisaitl and McDavid said Cup or bust before last year but the Oilers media don't want to see that message for what it was. I suspect because Draisaitl knows his best friend is moving on he has the same plans. If Draisaitl was going to sign it would have happened by now imo.

You keep saying this as if Holland was ever offered a chance to stay. Anyone saying they know what McDavid is doing at this juncture is just flat out lying.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am extremely confident where this coming from is accurate. Also, Ken Holland chose to not continue in an organization that barely missed winning the SC last season, he doesn't leave if he did not know this, no GM is deciding to ride off into the sunset when they are that close. The Oilers can't trade the biggest name in the game again, they can only try and convince him to stay but it isn't going to work. I believe the game plan is to put all the chips in this year, this is it. There is a reason Draisaitl and McDavid said Cup or bust before last year but the Oilers media don't want to see that message for what it was. I suspect because Draisaitl knows his best friend is moving on he has the same plans. If Draisaitl was going to sign it would have happened by now imo.

Originally Posted by Weitz

You keep saying this as if Holland was ever offered a chance to stay. Anyone saying they know what McDavid is doing at this juncture is just flat out lying.

They're just confidently speculating based on what they've heard, but even without that the context lends itself to the idea that the best player the game has seen in 25 years would want control of his own future.

With how that franchise has been run since the 80s, and the fact that it is Edmonton (a negative for a lot of reasons), it seems a good chance McDavid will want to complete his legacy somewhere else.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Weitz

You keep saying this as if Holland was ever offered a chance to stay. Anyone saying they know what McDavid is doing at this juncture is just flat out lying.

While no one can be 100% certain of something, you can get pretty close.

I recall someone guaranteeing that Johnny was resigning. That info was likely accurate up until the time it wasn't. Things can change, especially when it's about a year away.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

They'll probably match both and then move someone out before the season - Ceci, Kulak, or maybe even RNH.

It would be pretty hilarious if this forced them to move Draisaitl because their cap structure is all messed up but I think if that was going to be the reality they just wouldn't match.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

They'll probably match both and then move someone out before the season - Ceci, Kulak, or maybe even RNH.

It would be pretty hilarious if this forced them to move Draisaitl because their cap structure is all messed up but I think if that was going to be the reality they just wouldn't match.

Ceci is probably the Kassian trade again without the first rounders. I think if they gave up two 2nd round picks or maybe a 2nd and a 3rd they could move Ceci.

Kulak probably costs less to move, maybe him and a 3rd for futures is the deal there.

They could actually move RNH and get something back in the trade.

[dammage79]

Edmonton will have to pay out the nose to move other bodies to make room. they dont have that kind fo draft capital. and if they were smart they would not spend any more to get themselves out of this jam. either way, its a lose lose proposition for the Oilers. Im here for it.

[Canada 02]

if successful, the Blues will have 10 NHL d-men; I think there is a good chance one of Perunovich, Joseph or Tucker can be had on waivers in October

They will also have 14 forwards not including Dean, Stenberg or Dvorsky. Walker and Kapanen are safe players to waive, but if more than one of their top prospects make the team, Toropchenko might be waived

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Weitz

You keep saying this as if Holland was ever offered a chance to stay. Anyone saying they know what McDavid is doing at this juncture is just flat out lying.

Holland absolutely had the chance to stay, what makes you think otherwise? You think the Oilers were like hey, thanks for building a team that is a SC contender and missed the whole thing by one game, even though you have a pedigree of winning multiple SC's and you built this we would rather have Stan Bowman. You don't seriously believe that do you? I will bet you anything you want my source is not flat out lying, that would actually be bizarre in this case.

[dino7c]

Holland didnt build a damn thing...sucking and draft lottery built the Oilers who are a one man show.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Holland absolutely had the chance to stay, what makes you think otherwise? You think the Oilers were like hey, thanks for building a team that is a SC contender and missed the whole thing by one game, even though you have a pedigree of winning multiple SC's and you built this we would rather have Stan Bowman. You don't seriously believe that do you? I will bet you anything you want my source is not flat out lying, that would actually be bizarre in this case.

They never offered him a contract extension. He didn’t decide to leave. He wasn’t offered the chance to stay.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

For sure, I could easily see him leaving. What's difficult to understand is multiple sources leaking to dissentowner that it is 100% happening, but nobody else in the hockey world has got these leaks in what would be one of the biggest insider stories in the hockey world in decades?

Not saying diss is making it up, btw, more just that I'm surprised at the assuredness of this happening two years out from multiple sources that haven't leaked anywhere else but through Diss.

For the record there is two sources that could be construed kinda as one. That's as much as I am saying. Hey, if I am wrong feel free to call me a fraud and take me to the woodshed over it. I am that confident.