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Old 06-15-2015, 11:36 PM   #1821
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Aren't the Kings stacked on RW?
No. Toffoli is there, and Williams may or may not be back ... but either way he's on the downside of his career. Brown is often on the right side, but he too is hardly playing like a top six forward (past couple of seasons anyway). Lewis and Nolan generally having been rounding out the right wing position.

In terms of prospects, Kempe and Mersch are usually on the left side with Shore and Weal in the middle. Valentin Zykov plays right wing, but he's yet to establish himself, just finishing up his junior career.
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No biggie, but you called Parker's brother Jeremy instead of Tyler. Jeremy sure can skate, but has a heck of time turning right
Also, it says that NYR is the last team to make a pick but NYI doesn't have any picks in the first two rounds (unless I missed a trade!). But great read nonetheless.

I just noticed that only BUF will have made four selections before the Flames do, as things currently stand. Pretty good position to be in for the Flames although most of the teams with four picks in the first two rounds have one in the top ten.
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The Next Ones Final Rankings are in. Release the hounds!
- The Top 120
- Prospect Profiler Notes on all lads
*Note: not a guess of where players will land, but my ranking on longterm potential

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TN1 NHL-CS Player Ht. Wt. Pos. S Nat.
1 1 McDavid, Connor 6'1 195 C L CDN
2 2 Eichel, Jack 6'2 196 C R USA
3 6 Marner, Mitch 5'11 160 C/RW R CDN
4 3 Hanifin, Noah 6'3 203 D L USA
5 7 Provorov, Ivan 6'1 201 D L RUS
6 12 Barzal, Mathew 5'11 175 C R CDN
7 4 Strome, Dylan 6'3 185 C L CDN
8 14 Connor, Kyle 6'1 177 LW/C L USA
9 9 Zacha, Pavel 6'3 210 LW L CZE
10 15 Konecny, Travis 5'10 175 C/RW R CDN

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Also, it says that NYR is the last team to make a pick but NYI doesn't have any picks in the first two rounds (unless I missed a trade!). But great read nonetheless.

I just noticed that only BUF will have made four selections before the Flames do, as things currently stand. Pretty good position to be in for the Flames although most of the teams with four picks in the first two rounds have one in the top ten.
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Old 06-16-2015, 10:00 AM   #1825
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No. Toffoli is there, and Williams may or may not be back ... but either way he's on the downside of his career. Brown is often on the right side, but he too is hardly playing like a top six forward (past couple of seasons anyway). Lewis and Nolan generally having been rounding out the right wing position.

In terms of prospects, Kempe and Mersch are usually on the left side with Shore and Weal in the middle. Valentin Zykov plays right wing, but he's yet to establish himself, just finishing up his junior career.
Some interesting reading here:
https://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-p...kings-preview/

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"The blueline as a unit never recovered from the loss of Slava Voynov last season. As Voynov’s personal and legal troubles escalated, it seemed more and more like Voynov’s NHL days were done. The retirement of Robyn Regehr thins the talent on the back end even more. LA has an outstanding nucleus on D with Doughty, Jake Muzzin and Alec Martinez, but they desperately need to address their lack of of blue line depth."
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"In the recent years of the Kings’ success, Lombardi usually finds his draft spot far lower than this June’s No. 13 slot. He has made a habit of grabbing kids that fall for inane reasons. He basically catches fallers, so to speak. Last June at the draft in Philadelphia, the ISS ranked Adrian Kempe No. 22. He fell to the Kings at No. 29, and Lombardi caught him. The ISS ranked defenseman Roland McKeown at No. 23, Lombardi caught him well into the second round at No. 50 overall."
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We feel Kyle Connor will be available when the Kings pick at No. 13. We also feel Dean Lombardi is not going to let this dynamic talent slip through his fingers."
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I'm not sure. I know they have Toffoli, and Williams.

I think they probably see Konecny as a center though.
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No. Toffoli is there, and Williams may or may not be back ... but either way he's on the downside of his career. Brown is often on the right side, but he too is hardly playing like a top six forward (past couple of seasons anyway). Lewis and Nolan generally having been rounding out the right wing position.

In terms of prospects, Kempe and Mersch are usually on the left side with Shore and Weal in the middle. Valentin Zykov plays right wing, but he's yet to establish himself, just finishing up his junior career.
Roster wise, no they aren't. But I was mainly talking about prospects. Zykov, Kempe and Watson and a few others is great depth.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:36 AM   #1827
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I like the scenario you have painted for Calgary. I'd have no problem picking three straight D and then landing Senyshyn at #53. I'd have liked Roy with the #15 but you won't hear me complaining if they take Zboril.
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CGY, EDM and WPG all have extra picks in the first three rounds and VAN has one. This draft has the potential to put the Canucks back in the Stone Age developmentally compared to their Western Canadian rivals. It's bittersweet though because the Oil and Jets are going to walk away from this draft with possibly a better haul than the Flames. Oh well, it keeps things interesting.
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CGY, EDM and WPG all have extra picks in the first three rounds and VAN has one. This draft has the potential to put the Canucks back in the Stone Age developmentally compared to their Western Canadian rivals. It's bittersweet though because the Oil and Jets are going to walk away from this draft with possibly a better haul than the Flames. Oh well, it keeps things interesting.
Edmonton doesn't know how to draft past the 1st round.
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Old 06-16-2015, 12:43 PM   #1831
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Sure they do. It's drafting good players that they struggle with.
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Edmonton doesn't know how to draft past the 1st round.
Past 1st overall actually. Outside of the very first pick it's been a total gong show.
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Past 1st overall actually. Outside of the very first pick it's been a total gong show.
Yakupov was a first overall pick.
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their problem is not drafting ... its developing those draft picks
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What do you guys think it would take to aquire another top 20 pick.

This draft seems to drop off a lot after that.

I'd like us to be able to get 2 first round talents from this draft.

Would a deal like Backlund for a 1st piss everyone off?
How about Wideman+ for a 1st.
Maybe even package a few prospects, one or two of Reinhart, Jooris, Granlund etc with a 2nd to move up.

I can forsee a lot of good players being available past 15 and the flames having a headache over who to chose. I'm sure they can get 2 from their top 10 list in the top 20.

Perhaps package 2 2nds + a meh prospect to move up into the 1st.

Am I undervaluing the top 20 picks or overreacting to the quality drop off after 20.

Seems like we could grab 2 top defencemen like Roy and Zboril, or Barzal and Konecny, or Svechnikov and Melonche, etc etc depending on whats there when we draft.

Would you guys prefer that to taking lets say Zboril at 15 and then using our 3 2nd round picks to find good value or walking away with two of the highest ceiling players in the 1st round that your scouts like.

Im undecided. I think there is value in the 2nd round but there is also a noticeable drop off after the ErikssonEk, White, Harkins, Carlo types who I think will all go top 20. Then you get into some late 1st rounders who seem like they could even be available in the 2nd round.

This seems like a very top heavy draft from my moderate knowledge of the CHL.

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Was looking at the stats of Svechnikov's team (Cape Breton) and this fellow stood out to me:

Loik Leveille 6'0 - 223 lbs RH defenseman

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68 13 41 54 77
Also had 7 points (3+4) in 7 playoff games
Most videos have him dropping the gloves

Wouldn't mind if we used one of our later round picks on him.

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It’s not every day an NHL Draft eligible can turn to a former National Hockey League standout for guidance, but Sarnia Sting forward Pavel Zacha was afforded that luxury.

And it came before coming over to North America.

Zacha, a native of Brno, Czech Republic, enlisted the help of former NHLer Petr Nedved.

The now 18-year-old played 38 games for Liberec in the Czech Republic’s top League in 2013-14, where he was mentored by former NHL player Nedved. Nedved, who was selected second overall by the Vancouver Canucks in 1990 and skated in 982 career NHL games, helped prepare Zacha for his transition to North America.

"He would help me in practices and talk to me in the locker room," Zacha said. "I was young and to have a guy like Petr Nedved come over to you, sit down and ask if I had any questions was something I'll never forget.

"We talked about the style of play in North America, how to shoot it during a game from all areas and what decisions I needed to make quickly. It wasn't so much preparation as it was on-ice stuff. How to make plays and how to shoot from the corner."

Zacha then decided to join the Sting this season after being named the first overall selection in the CHL Import Draft by Sarnia.

He’ll follow in the footsteps of other Sting imports such as Nail Yakupov and Nikolay Goldobin.

Yakupov, taken with the second pick of the 2010 import draft, was the first overall selection in the 2012 NHL Draft, while Goldobin, picked 36th in 2012 by Sarnia, was selected 27th overall by the San Jose Sharks in 2014.

The Sting also saw Alex Galchenyuk get drafted third overall by the Montreal Canadiens in 2012 and Steven Stamkos go first overall to the Tampa Bay Lightning in 2008.

"They had a lot of good players who are now playing well in the NHL like Yakupov, Alex Galchenyuk (Montreal Canadiens) and Steven Stamkos (Tampa Bay Lightning)," Zacha said. "I think each of them was the best player in the CHL at the time."

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Born: April 6, 1997
Age: 18
Hometown: Brno, Czech Republic
Height: 6’3”
Weight: 210
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Team: Sarnia (OHL)
CSS Rank: 8th among North American Skaters
FC Rank: 15th overall
ISS Rank: 10th overall
Red Line Rank: 10th overall

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Daniel Deschenes of Future Considerations: “All the makings of a future top line NHLer winger, Zacha has really grown as a player as the season has progressed even with missing some games. He came into the league looking a bit lost and disinterested at times, but has become a solid prospect; dominant on many nights. Creating many chances with his size, vision, speed and heavy shot.”

Dennis MacInnis of International Scouting Service: “Has a lot of maturing still to do and that is something that actually works more towards the exciting potential he could one day actually meet and possibly exceed.”

Chris Edwards of NHL Central Scouting: “He's got high-end skill and is an excellent competitor; he plays an excellent two-way game. In the game I saw him play he broke up a few rushes in his own end and transitioned up the ice really well. He's physical and solid on his skates and can separate guys from the puck.”
I doubt he slips down to 15 but if he does he'd be one of the few I'd hope they'd take instead of Svechnikov. Guy knows how to play tough hockey already and like they say, he still needs to fill out, meaning his upside is huge.
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What do you guys think it would take to aquire another top 20 pick.

This draft seems to drop off a lot after that.

I'd like us to be able to get 2 first round talents from this draft.

Would a deal like Backlund for a 1st piss everyone off?
How about Wideman+ for a 1st.
Maybe even package a few prospects, one or two of Reinhart, Jooris, Granlund etc with a 2nd to move up.

I can forsee a lot of good players being available past 15 and the flames having a headache over who to chose. I'm sure they can get 2 from their top 10 list in the top 20.

Perhaps package 2 2nds + a meh prospect to move up into the 1st.

Am I undervaluing the top 20 picks or overreacting to the quality drop off after 20.

Seems like we could grab 2 top defencemen like Roy and Zboril, or Barzal and Konecny, or Svechnikov and Melonche, etc etc depending on whats there when we draft.

Would you guys prefer that to taking lets say Zboril at 15 and then using our 3 2nd round picks to find good value or walking away with two of the highest ceiling players in the 1st round that your scouts like.

Im undecided. I think there is value in the 2nd round but there is also a noticeable drop off after the ErikssonEk, White, Harkins, Carlo types who I think will all go top 20. Then you get into some late 1st rounders who seem like they could even be available in the 2nd round.

This seems like a very top heavy draft from my moderate knowledge of the CHL.
Not sure there is a drop off after the top 20. There are some players that will go 31-35 that would be first rounders in another year.

Regarding acquiring 2 picks in the top 20, I think that would be difficult. Remember moving up and swapping places with another team would get them our 15, and that's hard enough to do. Acquiring another top 20 pick without doing that would be even harder, but if we offer 3 2nd's then I suppose a team would think about it. I just think a top 20 pick in this year's draft is too valuable to give up. It is a good question though.

Saying that, I'm sure Treliving is working out many different scenarios, and he does have chips to play with. I think he would rather move up and draft someone in the top 10, then give up all his 2nd's and draft twice in the top 20. It is an interesting thought though because 2 top 20 picks could set us up for years. It would still mean we stay the course in terms of building the team through the draft. I don't know, it's just exciting to know what could happen here.
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