[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Always Earned Never Given

Great trade and the below is for the small minority and you know who you are!


We can't replace 219 points!

First off, they played on the same line and same pp unit and no pk so good chance that if they combined for 6 points that it resulted in closer to 3 goals for the team and not 6.

Best would be to subtract their goals ( 82 combined) and then add Huberdeau's (30) and now we are looking at at 52 goal difference and not 219!

After that you need to look at how Flames won most of their 50 games. Most of them were lobsided as they scored 103 goals more than they needed to so did we really need those 52 extra goals?

For entertainement sure but not to win the game as Flames hardly needed to outscore their problems last year.

As some have said D looks better than last year and maybe a few of our prospect will surprise or the wizard will present us with another surprise!

I for one feel much better this morning than yesterday morning.

That's way to big of a subtraction. Lindholm is still here and Huberdeau set a record for most assists by a LW. If you can find Huberdeau the right chemistry and get more out of Toffoli, Coleman, and even Monahan things are looking much better.

Plus the Flames have multiple potential mid six guys ready to step up from the AHL. The Heat led their division and were a top offensive team. There's definitely top talent to pump up the bottom six, which was a massive weak point for the Flames last year. It's a different playoffs of the Flames had even 1-2 of Pelletier, Zary, Phillips, etc.. In the lineup and putting up 40-50 points.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by MrMike

They won’t need to move out cap. Lucic and Monahan solve that problem next year when his extension would kick in.

Hub and Weeger this year are about 9

Next year if extended probably a combined 17

Lucic and Monahan are about 12

That still gives us a net positive of about 4 million.

Lucic and Monahans roles can be filled with minimum contracts for our fourth line,
So still a net positive of about 2 million.

What happens if Mony scores 30 goals this year?

Trade Backs?

[Lanny_McDonald]

When all is said and done, this is a status quo deal. We still have the same level of uncertainty, just two players instead of one. Instead of signing one player, we have two that we have to sign. Yes, there is more time to work a deal, but the reality is we could be stuck with two UFAs going into the trade deadline that the team refuses to move because "we're in the mix" for a playoff spot and not true contenders. We should have learned from this past season that we were not true contenders, and our coach definitely felt that way.

There is a silver lining to this. We have two high value players that could recoup good assets. The problem here is we are unlikely to see 2023 draft picks traded, even as teams start to understand where they shake out. I expect there to be more 2024/2025 picks offered because they are weaker drafts, which is going to hurt long-term. A rebuild will then be pushed out years into the future rather than a quick retool. Something to consider and keep in mind as you evaluate this deal.

The Flames have potential to make this a huge win by getting both player under contract in short order. These will be core pieces to keeping the team relevant in the next few years. Fail to get that those contracts extended and you're looking at a drawn out rebuild as the picks will be more future oriented unless you can convince teams to cough up their blue chippers in lieu of draft picks. I really like the deal, but extensions have to come quickly or this just becomes a kicking of the can six months down the road.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by blankall

If they move Tkachuk up to Barkov's line, that takes away Florida's greatest asset, two consistent scoring lines. Plus their defence, outside of Ekblad, is horrendous.

They could end up taking a major step back.

Florida is ridiculously deep at forward though, so essentially swapping out Huberdeau for Tkachuk isn’t that big of a deal.

The Flames still need to find a comparable top line player to get back to even in their forward group because as it stands, it’s like we lost 2 Huberdeau’s and only got 1 back. Finding that top line RW to build back that top line will be key to the team’s success IMO.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its not my opinion its just the reality

"Gaudreau left though"
"they might not sign"

are the best counter arguments

There really isn't any compelling argument that the Flames shouldn't have done this deal and you know it so you are turning on me for some reason.

OMG I am posting a lot on CP! good, why not

You're choosing to form people's opinions for them. Just because someone points out the risks of this deal doesn't mean they don't like the deal or those risks aren't there. It's simple to me, sign Huberdeau and it's a great deal no matter what else happens. Dont sign Huberdeau and it has a chance to be very underwhelming

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

because they said the trade would be underwhelming and need to keep the doom and gloom going

Its the Oiler fan opinion today too, go figure

I am as shocked as you are Dino7c at the return that Tkachuk got. After all, he is a worse skater than Lucic. I am impressed that you have backtracked on your opinion that he won’t put up anywhere close to 104 points again because Florida, like other teams don’t have elite players to play with absolute studs like Tkachuk.

Your victory lap is tiresome, Brad made a good trade. When intelligent people said they the return should be similar to the Seth Jones trade (3 top 12 first round picks) they were told that was just to set the table to say that Brad sucks because Tkachuk sucks and is not worth that. Brad made a great trade, lots of people have said it, but you are the last person who should be crowing, you sat on this site for the previous 4 days say Tkachuk was dog####. It should shock you as much as anyone, given how terrible the 104 point Matthew Tkachuk is.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Florida is ridiculously deep at forward though, so essentially swapping out Huberdeau for Tkachuk isn’t that big of a deal.

The Flames still need to find a comparable top line player to get back to even in their forward group because as it stands, it’s like we lost 2 Huberdeau’s and only got 1 back. Finding that top line RW to build back that top line will be key to the team’s success IMO.

A lot of the Panthers depth was the result of Barkov and Huberdeau who could both legitimately carry top scoring lines.

Calgary definitely needs some growth from within to keep things going, but it's not out of the question. Huberdeau definitely makes his linemates grow.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Lol still think the Canucks can pass the flames next year??

Your obsession is unhealthy. I'd find someone to talk too

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Your obsession is unhealthy. I'd find someone to talk too

Cuz I've replied to your dribble 3 times in the past 18 months? Canuck fan complex I guess.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Cuz I've replied to your dribble 3 times in the past 18 months? Canuck fan complex I guess.

Sorry, I was unclear there.

I'd find a professional to talk too. I didn't mean me.

[tvp2003]

It’s been less than a day and the Huby-Dube-whatever jokes are already getting old. Sigh.

On a more positive note, apparently when the Panthers came to Calgary in January they did a team dog-sledding activity in Banff. And for the 10 km ride, Huberdeau was paired up with… Mackenzie Weegar:

On a day off during a recent road trip, the Florida Panthers went dog-sledding in Alberta. With the Rocky Mountains as a backdrop, players and staff members tried their hands at mushing during a two-hour tour out of Canmore.

“It was my first time,” said Jonathan Huberdeau, the best player on one of the best sides in the NHL. “It is something different and something we could never do in Florida and we all had fun together.

“The dogs know you are behind them and are there to support them. It is really fascinating.”

One of the NHL’s most dominant and underrated players, Huberdeau was paired with defenceman MacKenzie Weegar as six huskies hauled them 10 kilometres over snowy trails.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...player-in-the/

[djsFlames]

Players are both Canadian. I think that bodes well.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Jore

As a win now trade, the return is pretty impressive, but I agree whether win now was the way to go is a legit question. Are the flames now better than they were last year? Are they good enough to beat Colorado, TBL, Carolina? If not, what’s the point of just trying to get into the playoffs? For my money, I think the flames are still short one Huberdeau caliber forward, especially at C, and I don’t see how they can get such a forward, even with this trade.

If Treliving says this was by far the best trade available then I believe him. I mean, just looking at the names involved, the shock value would leave the average person thinking Treliving robbed Zito at gun point.

But once contract terms are put into play, I think it starts to shift toward Florida. Now obviously Treliving can still extend the others and tilt it back heavily in his favor, but as of right now, we’re renting Huberdeau and Weager for a year who could theoretically still fetch the Flames a nice return now or at the deadline. So there’s definite silver lining.

But yeah I’m with you, it still feels like the Flames subtracted 2 Huberdeau’s and only got one back. It’s hard to tell how the Flames will do this upcoming season as there’s still work for Brad to do, but yeah, I agree, finding a top line RW will could be difficult.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Ya I wonder if Tkachuk puts up another 100 point season again. He had never even flirted with numbers like that prior to last season. Could shine on a Florida team that scored a lot of goals. It will be interesting to follow his story there.

A lot of guys who hit 100 pts this season will never sniff it again. Kevin Woodley from In Goal magazine was on with Pinder during the season and had some compelling data as to why scoring was up so much this season and in his opinion (to which I agree) it had to do with the roster impacts of COVID and 3rd/4th string goalies playing way more than ever and it having a significant impact on scoring. This was the season to rack up points as a pending UFA/RFA and cash in.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Every trade is the best offer on the table.

No kidding

Imagine Treliving said I decided to take less lol

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Sorry, I was unclear there.

I'd find a professional to talk too. I didn't mean me.

I thought you were one with your hopey copey crap.

Trust us. Flames fans will never need sympathy from loser Canuck fans. lol.

Now hurry up and charge up that electric scooter.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

If Treliving says this was by far the best trade available then I believe him. I mean, just looking at the names involved, the shock value would leave the average person thinking Treliving robbed Zito at gun point.

Player for player, I just cant imagine there being a better deal on the table. If things don't work out, at the end of the day Huberdeau and Weegar will fetch a haul in March.

[getbak]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550921132470984704


Wow, Backs and Monahan are the only players left who were in the organization when Treliving took over.

The next longest are Andersson, Kylington, and Mangiapane, who all joined the Flames at the 2015 draft.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

No, I think Huberdeau is probably the more complete player. Wicked playmaker, that still gets 30 goals. Better skater by a lot, and can also kill penalties. Also way better 3 on 3 overtime player. He’s just the better player.

He isn’t the more complete player. Agree to disagree

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

What happens if Mony scores 30 goals this year?

Trade Backs?

if the Monahan of old shows up? absolutely...but i am totally biased.