[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If Hubs had another year, this deal does not get done.

That and if Huberdeau actually had a good playoff performance. Seems like maybe the Panthers had enough of his underwhelming playoff appearances and didn’t see him in their future plans. It’s actually kind of shocking a 115 point player ended up with only 1 goal and 4 assists in 10 games.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

You’ll never have the ability to truly evaluate that part of the situation. We’ll never know what all the offers were or what variations were discussed. It’s your opinion they didn’t have anything equivalent elsewhere.

You should consider there was pressure to lean towards a return that fits continuing to compete now, Sutter as coach, ownership needs attendance $, and Treliving is trying to keep his job. Keep in mind I’m not on Team Rebuild.

It's a pretty safe bet this was the best offer on the table

GM said as much...by far was the quote

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Huberdeau lead his team in points by almost 30. It's important to put his numbers into context. There is a reason there was legitimate MVP talk,

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

That and if Huberdeau actually had a good playoff performance. Seems like maybe the Panthers had enough of his underwhelming playoff appearances and didn’t see him in their future plans. It’s actually kind of shocking a 115 point player ended up with only 1 goal and 4 assists in 10 games.

Going after Huberdeau when the entire team looked like clown shoes in the play-offs is a bitt unfair. He was bad though just, they all were.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

That and if Huberdeau actually had a good playoff performance. Seems like maybe the Panthers had enough of his underwhelming playoff appearances and didn’t see him in their future plans. It’s actually kind of shocking a 115 point player ended up with only 1 goal and 4 assists in 10 games.

He wasn't playing the Stars or Oilers to be fair

Panthers have had the toughest of playoff matchups and he has 21 points in 26 playoff games

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's a pretty safe bet this was the best offer on the table

GM said as much...by far was the quote

Every trade is the best offer on the table.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Going after Huberdeau when the entire team looked like clown shoes in the play-offs is a bitt unfair. He was bad though just, they all were.

Outside of Verhaege and perhaps giroux, they all went on hiatus in the playoffs.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Outside of Verhaege and perhaps giroux, they all went on hiatus in the playoffs.

Even Verhaege wasn't that good. He popped off in a game or two and other than that looked as lost as the rest of them.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Agreed but Tkachuk was a one year rental for the Flames

No I think it always Tkachuk + 8 year extension which has tremendous value. Treliving is right though, Matthew could’ve made it much more difficult for the team to get a good return.

I’m still curious on what the other offers were though, hopefully that comes out in the days ahead. I’ll take Tre’s words that this was the best offer on the table, but I would still be interested to know who the other players were and who Matthew would’ve been willing to sign with.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by blankall

If they move Tkachuk up to Barkov's line, that takes away Florida's greatest asset, two consistent scoring lines. Plus their defence, outside of Ekblad, is horrendous.

They could end up taking a major step back.

And they still need to shed 3-4 million dollars to be under the cap.

[littlereddevil]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He wasn't playing the Stars or Oilers to be fair

Panthers have had the toughest of playoff matchups and he has 21 points in 26 playoff games

Yes, let's give credit where it's due to Tampa Bay for so effectively shutting him down in the playoffs. There's a reason Tampa Bay is one of the best teams in the league.

It'll be a whole different story for Huberdeau to play in the significantly weaker Pacific Division than in the stronger Atlantic Division.

[Stampede2TheCup]

How about a Huby-Dube-Looooooooooo goal call?!? Unlikely, but one can dream…

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

That and if Huberdeau actually had a good playoff performance. Seems like maybe the Panthers had enough of his underwhelming playoff appearances and didn’t see him in their future plans. It’s actually kind of shocking a 115 point player ended up with only 1 goal and 4 assists in 10 games.

Tkachuk had a better PPG average than Huberdeau in the 21/22 playoffs, but Tkachuk was -6 on the +/- to Huberdeau's +1.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Murph

Hey Bingo…

Not asking for you to tell us what the rumour that you heard regarding Lucic was, but can you tell us if it’s still possible now that we’re past the draft and most of the meaningful FA signings?

The same guy reached out with a "guess I was wrong"

I asked if he heard it wasn't happening, and he said "no" but he assumed that it wouldn't happen because it hasn't happened.

Will see I guess ...

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Even Verhaege wasn't that good. He popped off in a game or two and other than that looked as lost as the rest of them.

Lol still think the Canucks can pass the flames next year??

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by blankall

To keep Gaudreau and Mangiapane, the Flames were going to need to move out cap already. If Huberdeau states he's going to stay, they need to look at moving cap again.

All depends on what Huberdeau is telling the club. He must have wanted out of Miami. He's from a small mountain town outside of Montreal. So sell him on the big mountain town in Alberta. Bring him in the linemates he wants.

They won’t need to move out cap. Lucic and Monahan solve that problem next year when his extension would kick in.

Hub and Weeger this year are about 9

Next year if extended probably a combined 17

Lucic and Monahan are about 12

That still gives us a net positive of about 4 million.

Lucic and Monahans roles can be filled with minimum contracts for our fourth line,
So still a net positive of about 2 million.

[Jore]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Honestly, I don't know if the Flames were a Tanev away from beating McDavid and Draisaitl let alone Mackinnon and Makar's team.

Like I said, I'm not just judging this trade specifically, it's about the totality of the offseason as a whole. Is the team better than last year's team? I don't think so as of this very moment. If Treliving can swing something for a legitimately good RW, then that very well may change my mind.

As a win now trade, the return is pretty impressive, but I agree whether win now was the way to go is a legit question. Are the flames now better than they were last year? Are they good enough to beat Colorado, TBL, Carolina? If not, what’s the point of just trying to get into the playoffs? For my money, I think the flames are still short one Huberdeau caliber forward, especially at C, and I don’t see how they can get such a forward, even with this trade.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I get what you’re saying. But before yesterday, Tkachuk had no contract. Huberdeau has 1 year left at a very good cap hit. Who’s to say an extension couldn’t be hammered out before the trade, just like Tkachuk? If it could, he’s more valuable to more teams because 5.9 mil for this year is much more palatable. Not too mention, the Flames could also eat 50% this year. Lots of options.

Yeah I agree, if Huberdeau re-signs a contract at some point, then the trade is an absolute steal. The value for Florida was that they received 8 years of Tkachuk. 8 years of Huberdeau + all the extras, that instantly swings in favor of Treliving. But that is the biggest if of them all.

Do we even know how Huberdeau or Weager have reacted? We’ve heard that Matthew is excited to go to Florida, but what about the 2 new guys we acquired?

[dirk diggler]

Glad the flames didnt give up picks to a team like the Coyotes to take on Lucic or Monahan. as it turns ouy, it wasnt truly necessary.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Glad the flames didnt give up picks to a team like the Coyotes to take on Lucic or Monahan. as it turns ouy, it wasnt truly necessary.

It still could be let’s wait for game 1 regular season to unfold.