CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by formulate

I was just thinking about this, but would squiggs' ability perhaps only work on ECF's starting ability, not a later-given power.

Originally Posted by formulate

Or perhaps GGG is like Regulator/Bettman from game one and can only be killed by a lynch. Poison would fail regardless of what Squiggs did.

Even the first post today by Mazrim, pretty explicitly states the powers are fake.

"Hello Townsfolk! The gift of Eternal powers are a contrived deceit."

Who's telling us this is another question. But I think it's shady that you are trying to come up with other reasons why it didn't work without bringing up that possibility. Right now all we can prove is that accepting the Eternals gives you an extra vote.

My vote is secured for today. I think you are the one giving out the Eternal invites.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by formulate

Or perhaps GGG is like Regulator/Bettman from game one and can only be killed by a lynch. Poison would fail regardless of what Squiggs did.

For those who didn't read through that game, Bettman was mafia head and could only be killed by a lynch, and also appeared to be town when investigated.

Claim lynchproof as well, taunting the town to 'waste' another lynch. Would this make any sense?

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Even the first post today by Mazrim, pretty explicitly states the powers are fake.


Who's telling us this is another question. But I think it's shady that you are trying to come up with other reasons why it didn't work without bringing up that possibility. Right now all we can prove is that accepting the Eternals gives you an extra vote.

My vote is secured for today. I think you are the one giving out the Eternal invites.

This would be much less far fetched. Not guaranteed to be a town message, but it would make a lot of sense.

[Timbo]

Hello all sorry about hmmhmmcamo. I felt I put a lot of pressure on him and
in turn caused him to react the way he did.

Delgar it sure looks like you are a hero and gave the ultimate sacrifice.

Glad Mazrim came in and clarified the quick topic star thing. I started reading this morning and thought oh crap another red herring.

The MOT's stated we are being played like a fiddle and are being led around by Mafia. Who is leading in post count...GGG

Now he joins a cult when he rallied to not join them

Twice he has been on the MOT investigate list and when in the twilight thread i mentioned this, someone named "secret" quickly came to his defence stating he did no night actions.

He now is "unlynchable" WTF?

These are all suspicious IMO

Now the list that MOT gave us had GGG, GirlySports and Delgar

Delgar is now gone (RIP)

The list before had Devo on it

I'm wondering if MOT has even a clue whats going on?
Either way GGG activities are making him rise like scum in a pond.


I'm going to do more sniffing.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

This doesn't make any sense - how does you tracking Puxlut give you all this info?

No idea.

Two theories. One Puxlut has some kind of random redirection or the ability to redirect abilities used on her (Nexus ability) see my first post last night for link.

Two. Mafia sees me join the guardians, worried I have been given a night kill by the guardians and redirects that power to you.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Even the first post today by Mazrim, pretty explicitly states the powers are fake.


Who's telling us this is another question. But I think it's shady that you are trying to come up with other reasons why it didn't work without bringing up that possibility. Right now all we can prove is that accepting the Eternals gives you an extra vote.

My vote is secured for today. I think you are the one giving out the Eternal invites.

I don't personally believe considering all the possibilities is shady. Taking something at face value and only focusing on that option isn't what I'm about. Your other points regarding me have a certain degree of merit, but this one I'm not seeing.

[Aeneas]

Granted I have not managed to click on the twilight links, but I think the MOT information is no different than information we get from players in the game.

I think it is just two people who likely played in the last game(s) who did not get into this one.

They are reading everything and making guesses. There have been hints that they will have better information in the future, but until that time their guesses should hold no more weight than anyone elses.

All that being said, I think they may finally be right on GGG!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

No idea.

Two theories. One Puxlut has some kind of random redirection or the ability to redirect abilities used on her (Nexus ability) see my first post last night for link.

Two. Mafia sees me join the guardians, worried I have been given a night kill by the guardians and redirects that power to you.

1. Let's say Puxlut has a nexus ability, she definitely would not direct it to ECF with ECF saying he's the doctor.

2. I don't think redirection works that way. mafiascum.com is also blocked for me at work, can someone find out if there is a role that can redirect all of the initiators actions onto someone else. I think the mafia would have to redirect things that happen to Puxlut and why would they do that?

I think it goes A ---> B ----> C (A's action to B is redirected to C). I don't think you can go A ------> C ignoring B. But I could be wrong.

[Timbo]

This bugs me
"Hello Townsfolk! The gift of Eternal powers are a contrived deceit."
So on the next role flip will we get something similar about the Guardians?

Dam again I find myself fixating on the two groups and the MOT! If this was their intended purpose it's working.

[GGG]

I see two reasons why people have begun not to trust me. I will attempt to justify.

1) I joined the guardians. In my defense. I said I would the previous day. Early in the day 2 when everything was unknown I think it made sense for people to refuse the invite. The only way to stop people was to threaten to lynch. As more and more info game out after Girly and Mrkajz both posted what they were going to recieve I posted and linked for all to see that I would be joining the group if they invited me. No on cared to contest.

2) I campaigned to kill GP_Matt with the vig kill. I still think the logic is sound and woudl have campaigned for this regardless of my lynchproof status. If Matt required 2 kills to eliminate and was mafia because of these powers. (My working theory has been two townies handing out powers) It would have been too risky not to Vig kill him. This had broad support and NO ONE objected to it.

Things that show I am telling the truth.

One I disclosed that ECF tried to poison me before he did
Two I disclosed this odd tracking of Puxlut that led me to know this
Three: I didn't disclose who ECF protected

The good news is that I can be killed. I have no defenses of anykind from nightkills. The poison should have worked. Unfortunately the mafia won't be using it on me as I am now a source of huge confusion for the town.

Questions for future play:
Joining the guardians - The town needed more powers. I posted yesterday that my opinion had changed and I would be joining. Not sure what to change there.

Disclosing my ability: This reveal was going to cause chaos whenever it happened after the whole GP_Matt thing. Perhaps I shouldn't have been the one to push for a Vig kill but no one else was doing it and the risk was high. I could have not revealed it, let you guys lynch a lynch proof person.

For today Wood and ECF you can decide who I should vote for. I also have a few new theories on who is town and who is mafia which if Wood and ECF see value in them I will post otherwise my main goal now is to avoid causing chaos.

Anyway insights on what I should have done would be appreciated.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

2. I don't think redirection works that way. mafiascum.com is also blocked for me at work, can someone find out if there is a role that can redirect all of the initiators actions onto someone else. I think the mafia would have to redirect things that happen to Puxlut and why would they do that?

Perhaps a Bus Driver?

The Bus Driver is a role that can choose to switch two players each night. Thus, any night action performed on a switched player will affect the other player targeted by the Bus Driver. The Bus Driver's night choices are only valid for that same night.

For example, suppose a Bus Driver switches John and Jack. That same night, a roleblocker tries to block John and a Goon tries to kill Jack. In the end, Jack will be roleblocked and John will be killed.

The verb form of what a Bus Driver does is "drives".

Bus Driver has been seen as each alignment and historically is a pro-Town role; however, some moderators consider Bus Driver to be a Negative Utility role in Town hands, since it is more likely to thwart or confuse power roles than help. The pro-Town intent of this role is to attempt to redirect the scum's kill onto a better target.

[East Coast Flame]

Put aside this redirection for a second...so joining the guardians gave you a one time tracker ability? and you used this one time ability to track....Puxlut?

So you felt it was worth it to put yourself in the crosshairs and join this group so you could track puxlut? Why puxlut?

[East Coast Flame]

Also - I'm leaning towards thinking that Oling is the leader of the Guardians and his win condition is to beat the Eternals

[Wood]

Secret in the MOT thread said GGG didn't use a night action. GGG said he did and he tracked puxlut, got info about ECF instead

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Perhaps a Bus Driver?

Nope, that switches the results on two people. Not the action of GGG.

GGG thinks that somebody switched all of his actions onto ECF, regardless of the intended target. I don't think that's possible.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Wood

Secret in the MOT thread said GGG didn't use a night action. GGG said he did and he tracked puxlut, got info about ECF instead

Wasn't that about night 1? No night actions would have happened yet when twilight #2 happened.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Wood

Secret in the MOT thread said GGG didn't use a night action. GGG said he did and he tracked puxlut, got info about ECF instead

Just to clarify - in the MOT thread there was someone whose name showed up as "secret" and was defending GGG?

Was GGG in the twilight thread?

[Timbo]

dissentowner I have a very interesting question for you.

You were online and post just as the hammer came down on hmmhmmcamo
your last post was 8:33 pm post 1679

I did not see you in the twilight how come?

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Wasn't that about night 1? No night actions would have happened yet when twilight #2 happened.

Yep you're right, sorry

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Wood

Yep you're right, sorry

It's ok, you're a blonde afterall.