CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Wood

An unlynchable mafia is an invincible player

GP_Matt thought he received a 1 time lynch protection, I thought.

That's what GGG could have received, or could be his power (1 time lynch proof ability). Lynch or no lynch, I don't think we can let GGG steer our conversations any more.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Drury18

If you look further, it says this role is only in ####### mod games: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=#######_mod

Hmm, I guess my link won't work due to the swear filter. It's a word that rhymes with custard and defined in the dictionary as a person born to parents who aren't married.

[formulate]

Haven't had time to catch up and process the GGG stuff so I'll comment on that later.

I've already said my piece on the 2nd worst post of the game (#unicornsupmyass) but I'll add briefly: Would a mafia member really think they could gain info from that post, without being outed?
formulate: Doc, tell me if I can kill you.
Doc: I can't save myself so I'm a sitting duck, thanks for asking.
Town: Tra la la, hooray for this unicorn that is winning us the game
Don't see it. I was basically thinking out loud, sleep deprived from the night before and clearly didn't think about what I was asking. I would hate for that kind of slip up to be the end of my game, but at the end of the day couldn't really blame anyone but myself.

As for Drury's comment on Wood not being on my 'townie list', the vig kill happened afterwards, nobody knew for sure he was town yet. ECF I left out of that analysis completely.

I have a theory/accusation of Girlysports which I am putting together but I want to think through this GGG lynchproof stuff first so I'll put it out there afterwards.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Drury18

This is what I was thinking about driving the kid to school.

There is a Deathproof in the mafia game. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Deathproof



If you look further, it says this role is only in ####### mod games: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=#######_mod

Looking at the description, I think this might be the game on our hands here:

So are you thinking that GGG used his one-shot deathproof on ECF's possibly fake/ possibly real poison and he is just claiming he is lynchproof?

Sorry if I am way off base I can't open those links at work, they are blocked.

[Wood]

Agree with the last sentence

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

GP_Matt thought he received a 1 time lynch protection, I thought.

That's what GGG could have received, or could be his power (1 time lynch proof ability). Lynch or no lynch, I don't think we can let GGG steer our conversations any more.

Meant to quote this

I agree with the last sentence

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

That's if we believe he is lynchproof. And even if he is, how do we get rid of him now?

GGG obviously was able to track ECF. He claims it's from Guardians, is it a possibility that's his real power though? Claims he is poisoned, says we can't lynch him. Then tomorrow he shows up alive and we all blame ECF for GGG not dying or something?

But he said he tracked Puxlut. That makes no sense. Why would he track her to begin with?

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But he said he tracked Puxlut. That makes no sense. Why would he track her to begin with?

And why would tracking Puxlut tell him anything about me?

Also - for a guy that posts a ton he has gone pretty quiet since he found out my poison didn't work. Off to the mafia thread to figure out a new plan?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by formulate

Haven't had time to catch up and process the GGG stuff so I'll comment on that later.

I've already said my piece on the 2nd worst post of the game (#unicornsupmyass) but I'll add briefly: Would a mafia member really think they could gain info from that post, without being outed?
formulate: Doc, tell me if I can kill you.
Doc: I can't save myself so I'm a sitting duck, thanks for asking.
Town: Tra la la, hooray for this unicorn that is winning us the game
Don't see it. I was basically thinking out loud, sleep deprived from the night before and clearly didn't think about what I was asking. I would hate for that kind of slip up to be the end of my game, but at the end of the day couldn't really blame anyone but myself.

As for Drury's comment on Wood not being on my 'townie list', the vig kill happened afterwards, nobody knew for sure he was town yet. ECF I left out of that analysis completely.

I have a theory/accusation of Girlysports which I am putting together but I want to think through this GGG lynchproof stuff first so I'll put it out there afterwards.

But that could be the case if you are mafia as well. It's a big slip-up either way, either you are town who posed a question that only really helped the mafia if answered or a mafia who tried to get information about the doctor and how best to approach him without thinking about the consequence.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

So are you thinking that GGG used his one-shot deathproof on ECF's possibly fake/ possibly real poison and he is just claiming he is lynchproof?

Sorry if I am way off base I can't open those links at work, they are blocked.

I think it might be a possibility. What leads me to this is him asking a couple times for the Vigilante to use his kill. Wood admits he'd use it either way, but GGG pushed hard for it. With that kill out of that way, that's one less way he can die.

When I voted for him last night he comes back with saying likely ECF poisoned him so we shouldn't even discuss about lynching him. (Of which I wonder why he thought the poison would be used on him. ECF mentioned poisoning both GirlySports and GGG. His vote sat with GirlySports so I would have thought that might be the target since that was the vote.)

Originally Posted by GGG

Well I am likely poisoned, confirm with ECF and infinitely lynchproof so voting for me is a terrible waste of your vote. Any discussion about me is also likely a waste of time.

I'm wondering if he wasn't expecting ECF to report back that he did in fact poison him and to further know that it didn't work. He would coast along the entire day going "Well ECF poisoned me so I'm dead anyway" along with the lynch proof so we wouldn't even try to lynch him and then show up alive for Day 4 and by that time we could be down another two town through a lynch (that he'd probably lead) and a nightkill.

Also as you can't access the link through work, this is what Deathproof is on it:

A Deathproof player cannot be killed or lynched. This is essentially a combination of Lynchproof and Bulletproof.

In almost all cases, Deathproof is either One-Shot or a trait of roles that only loosely qualify as players (i.e. Tree Stump).

Because protection from both lynches and kills is in practice redundant, Deathproof is generally not seen outside ####### mod games. It has been seen as all alignments.

In the case of One-Shot Deathproof, further information can be found at Bulletproof and Lynchproof.

The ####### mod game link just was to show how that game setup was and that it closely resembled what was going on here.

(PS, real CP mods please don't infraction me. I'm trying not to post swear words and I know it's against the rules to skirt them so I'm trying to follow rules and give information. It's kinda like the whole Bart Simpson thing about hell and how can I talk about hell when I can't say hell)

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

And why would tracking Puxlut tell him anything about me?

Also - for a guy that posts a ton he has gone pretty quiet since he found out my poison didn't work. Off to the mafia thread to figure out a new plan?

Yeah I think it's all lies. Coming out of Day 2, if you had a tracking ability why would you track Puxlut? And secondly if you were a redirector, why would you redirect something onto ECF when everyone else is trying to get stuff away from ECF. And not only redirect onto ECF, but redirect from Puxlut onto ECF, how would you possibly think that would work?

Heck, a bodyguard even jumped in front of ECF.

GGG tracked ECF to see who he was saving and who he was poisoning. A total mafia investigative move.

Plus I'm still pissed off he told everyone to not join the Guardians and then he joined, I was the one who rejected the letter first.

Vote: GGG

[Drury18]

Sorry, the other thing I wanted to put in there was his claim about "infinite lynchproof".

How many people in past or present games have powers that are "infinite"? This is a rhetorical question. Please do not answer this question.

Few, if any, roles are infinite. It might be one or two time uses. Even in the mafiawiki, Lynchproof comes up saying it is usually a one shot role:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lynchproof

A Lynchproof player is a player who is resistant to being lynched. This is very often one-shot, as complete immunity to the lynch prevents players who cannot kill as a function of their role (i.e. Vigilantes) from killing the Lynchproof player.

[formulate]

Quick thought of MOT as I'm reading Drury's summary (many thanks). I have a feeling they are people outside this game, possibly former players who have no info on alignments at all. Mazrim knew the cults would throw us off so he put in a couple people who would have a calmer outsider perspective (without being any concrete help) to give us some advice.

[mrkajz44]

I agree with Drury. Infinite lynch-proof is crazy powerful and it would make the game seem unbalanced as everyone's powers are doing odd things: being re-directed, not working at all, etc. So people's powers are not working as planned, making this game super confusing, but GGG gets infinite lynch-proof.

Seems unlikely.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

I'm wondering if he wasn't expecting ECF to report back that he did in fact poison him and to further know that it didn't work. He would coast along the entire day going "Well ECF poisoned me so I'm dead anyway" along with the lynch proof so we wouldn't even try to lynch him and then show up alive for Day 4 and by that time we could be down another two town through a lynch (that he'd probably lead) and a nightkill.

Another thing to consider is that squiggs96 mentioned that his power would ensure ECF's got through.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

If the vast majority of people agree, then Pika will ensure ECF's action goes through tonight.

If squiggs96 did indeed use his power on ECF and the poison still failed, then it seems like someone gave ECF a fake power. Whoever did, would know this. And giving fake powers to the town can only be mafia. I think GGG knew the poison was fake, I don't know if he knew ECF would be told it didn't work though.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Another thing to consider is that squiggs96 mentioned that his power would ensure ECF's got through.

If squiggs96 did indeed use his power on ECF and the poison still failed, then it seems like someone gave ECF a fake power. Whoever did, would know this. And giving fake powers to the town can only be mafia. I think GGG knew the poison was fake, I don't know if he knew ECF would be told it didn't work though.

I was just thinking about this, but would squiggs' ability perhaps only work on ECF's starting ability, not a later-given power.

[Aeneas]

Well what a night. GGG was on my very first suspicion list, and I would like to vote him out for several reasons, most have been spoken of in the last few pages.

1. I thought he came of the gate swinging hard, just looked like a mafia trying too hard to be town. no real evidence of course, just day 1 hunch.

2. joining the guardians after saying it was a bad idea, and that lynch should follow that person.

3. i think as a town we should try to keep a lid on these cults or whatever they are. one was killed by wood, GOP Matt. Not sure that it is important, but there are 2 guardians and one eternal right now, maybe we should lynch a guardian. Keep there numbers down, and even.

But if he is lynchproof it is a waste.

Despite all my reasons for wanting to vote GGG I will wait a bit.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

If squiggs96 did indeed use his power on ECF and the poison still failed, then it seems like someone gave ECF a fake power. Whoever did, would know this. And giving fake powers to the town can only be mafia. I think GGG knew the poison was fake, I don't know if he knew ECF would be told it didn't work though.

I'd like to hear squiggs talk to this to clarify if that was what he actually meant (Pika will ensure that ECFs action goes though) or if it was just bad wording. I think he mentioned that in the last post he's made in this thread.

[formulate]

Or perhaps GGG is like Regulator/Bettman from game one and can only be killed by a lynch. Poison would fail regardless of what Squiggs did.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by formulate

I was just thinking about this, but would squiggs' ability perhaps only work on ECF's starting ability, not a later-given power.

I don't think that would matter if Squiggs is an empowerer

An Empowerer is a protective power role that prevents their target from being roleblocked. Empowerers are very useful for both town and scum. Town Empowerers can keep a known Cop from being roleblocked, as Cops are prime targets for Mafia Roleblockers, especially when the Cop is protected by a Doctor. The Mafia can use the role to keep their important night actions, such as nightkills, from failing.
Empowerers are fairly rare in SA games.

Sounds more and more like ECF was given a fake power? Either that or ECF wasn't truthful.