Peaceful protest sure not some of the current BS going on. Violence, arson, destruction, ect. can't be tolerated.
Can we agree that it's an inevitable part of mass protest? When has full-on non-violent protest ever actually happened? When millions of people are angry enough to march in the streets, it's just basic math that there will be destruction and violence. Want it to stop? Listen to what they want. Try to make it happen in a meaningful way.
America didn't seem to have a problem with violent protest for independence. Or the mass violent protest known as WWII. History looks at the French Revolution as the birth of modern of democracy. Was there not violence? But protest AGAINST America? My word, it couldn't be. No way those people have anything good to say. Look, some of them are burning stuff.
Saying you're okay with peaceful protest, without recognizing the inevitable violence that happens when power doesn't listen, to me, shows a very strong lack of nuance. It's never happened.
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Can we agree that it's an inevitable part of mass protest? When has full-on non-violent protest ever actually happened? When millions of people are angry enough to march in the streets, it's just basic math that there will be destruction and violence. Want it to stop? Listen to what they want. Try to make it happen in a meaningful way.
America didn't seem to have a problem with violent protest for independence. Or the mass violent protest known as WWII. But protest AGAINST America? My word, it couldn't be. No way those people have anything good to say. Look, some of them are burning stuff.
Saying you're okay with peaceful protest, without recognizing the inevitable violence that happens when power doesn't listen, to me, shows a very strong lack of nuance. It's never happened.
Anarchists want to abolish the government entirely...listen to what they want? No thanks. I bet some of you would have a different tune if it was your neighborhood/property..
Anarchists want to abolish the government entirely...listen to what they want? No thanks. I bet some of you would have a different tune if it was your neighborhood/property..
No I'm talking about listening to what the real protest is saying. Police reform.
Focusing on instances of violence (which are, irrefutably being escalated by police/government action) as the main thread of the protest is being purposefully obtuse. You know the protests are not about anarchy, even if some anarchists are participating in them. And not all people causing destruction and violence are anarchists. They are frustrated and angry people, taking it out in a way that is not constructive, but it DOES NOT nullify the reasons for the protests. And again, there has never in the history of humanity been protest against power without violence. Even Ghandi starved himself, and there were of course off-shoots of his movement that were violent. He himself was not exactly a beacon of human righteousness. Does it mean the British should keep power in India, because some people were angry enough to do some stupid s*** about it? Absolutely not.
You uh, know there are still many many many ongoing peaceful protests in dozens of cities around the US, and have been for 2 months?
They just aren't in your Facebook feed every night, because nothing happens (unless the cops escalate).
Good, what's your point?
The biggest meaningful change that is actually obtainable in the near future is voting to get rid of Trump. I hope they take time out of their busy schedules to vote and help otheres vote.
Trump gassed peaceful protesters for a photo op. Biden said anarchists should be prosecuted for violence and destruction. I don't think Biden made a gaff at all...I agree with him.
Anarchists want to abolish the government entirely...listen to what they want? No thanks. I bet some of you would have a different tune if it was your neighborhood/property..
Again, anarchism is not synonymous with property destruction and/or violence. Most of the anarchists I know believe that their "acts of resistance" are living in co-ops, eating vegan, and growing community gardens.
I generally don't agree with the solutions proposed by anarchists, but you're very clearly dismissing something based almost entirely out of ignorance.
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No I'm talking about listening to what the real protest is saying. Police reform.
Focusing on instances of violence (which are, irrefutably being escalated by police/government action) as the main thread of the protest is being purposefully obtuse. You know the protests are not about anarchy, even if some anarchists are participating in them. And not all people causing destruction and violence are anarchists. They are frustrated and angry people, taking it out in a way that is not constructive, but it DOES NOT nullify the reasons for the protests. And again, there has never in the history of humanity been protest against power without violence. Even Ghandi starved himself, and there were of course off-shoots of his movement that were violent. He himself was not exactly a beacon of human righteousness. Does it mean the British should keep power in India, because some people were angry enough to do some stupid s*** about it? Absolutely not.
Has there been a single confirmed arrest of an actual anarchist? I haven't even seen a single declaration from any anarchists, and as I've said, that stuff would at least in the past have floated my way through the anarchists I know.
Is there even a shred of evidence to suggests there were any actual anarchists involved, beyond Trump saying so?
There has of course been a confirmed case where white supremacists published a fake anarchist message, and the police have confirmed at least one case where a rioter turned out to be a white supremacist trying to provoke a violent police response.
So we do know that white supremacist rioters are thing, but are anarchists?
I would however wish that unless people know of confirmed cases, they would stop calling the looters anarchists or suggesting that any significant portion of them were anarchists.
Let's remember that
1) Anarchists are not a big group to start with
2) Vast majority of anarchists are upper middle class whites, typically students, who are just not very likely to do anything as risky as rioting.
3) A very significant portion of anarchists are also pacifists
4) Another significant group of anarchists these days are market anarchists (these come in leftist and libertarian flavors), and that group has no ideological reason to destroy shops, and in fact many would be very specifically opposed to someone destroying private property and businesses with a political excuse.
5) A significant portion of anarchists have strong beliefs about collective action that would be directly opposed to rioting in this situation, as you would have to go an oppressed minorities ally and either hijack their cause or use them as human shields for your own purposes.
Again, destructive anarchists exist (typically they're either radical insurrectionists or even more typically just idiots), but it's very rare.
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Question: Would you like a slice of pepperoni and pineapple pizza, or would you rather eat this steaming pile of human feces?
Biden Hater: That's disgusting. Why would anyone ever put pineapple on pizza? That's just wrong and unnatural. No one should ever want pineapple on pizza.
So is pineapple on pizza great? No. But let's not lose sight of the fact that the alternative is actual human sh*t.
Pineapple should never put on pizza along side pepperoni, pineapple should go with ham an ham only.
Just keep in mind that Change is a C- rated pollster. Don't totally discount it, but wait for other polls to show similar movement before drawing any conclusions.
Need more information from how the polling was conducted. These numbers could be a result of shifting to more rural areas and getting more data from the non-urban centers and less from the higher population centers. The job satisfaction/dissatisfaction numbers remain consistent as does the broader polling. One thing you can count on right now is for the media to make this seem like a race as that is what sells. RCP remains consistent in their numbers so I would not get your underwear in a knot over this.
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I mean technically he is right. You could just starve yourself to death.
but in the analogy trump being president is like eating s**t, so sure you can kill your self, but Trump would still be president. So speaking for the analogy, someone will still be shovelling feces down your cold dead throat.
but in the analogy trump being president is like eating s**t, so sure you can kill your self, but Trump would still be president. So speaking for the analogy, someone will still be shovelling feces down your cold dead throat.
Just when you thought Trump going on national television to describe how difficult a cognitive test is or lying about throwing out the first pitch because he saw Fauci do it or whining about people not liking him because of his personality was crazy.. you didn't consider he'd be supporting demon sperm lady did you??
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