2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

… are we targeting a roster exclusively made up of “difference makers”?

I’d hope so.

The Flames lack a top end, and all asset spends should be directed to that.

2nd/3rd pairing guys are available all the time, including in free agency.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’d hope so.

The Flames lack a top end, and all asset spends should be directed to that.

2nd/3rd pairing guys are available all the time, including in free agency.

We aren't giving up the assets required to get difference makers and UFAs want term.

If you can get a overpaid middle pair D with 2 or 3 years left for cheap thats ideal.

[really?]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’d hope so.

The Flames lack a top end, and all asset spends should be directed to that.

2nd/3rd pairing guys are available all the time, including in free agency.

Tend to agree with you, but not every “difference maker” makes that difference statistically. Prime Chris Tanev is a difference maker. Blake Coleman and guys of his ilk are difference makers regardless of how many points they post. Blaine Stoughton (look him up) compiler, not a difference maker.

As a fan I am prone to over emphasize stats in evaluating a player, but successful teams are loaded with guys who make a difference in a variety of ways. Not sure Miller is one of those guys, but if he is then he is worthy of consideration.

For every goal there are almost always guys who did some quiet things to make it happen. This team needs a couple of high end talents, but above all needs to get out of the business of acquiring and extending guys who merely fill the void.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by really?

Tend to agree with you, but not every “difference maker” makes that difference statistically. Prime Chris Tanev is a difference maker. Blake Coleman and guys of his ilk are difference makers regardless of how many points they post. Blaine Stoughton (look him up) compiler, not a difference maker.

As a fan I am prone to over emphasize stats in evaluating a player, but successful teams are loaded with guys who make a difference in a variety of ways. Not sure Miller is one of those guys, but if he is then he is worthy of consideration.

For every goal there are almost always guys who did some quiet things to make it happen. This team needs a couple of high end talents, but above all needs to get out of the business of acquiring and extending guys who merely fill the void.

100% been saying this about 100 times. This whole idea of having 4 lines of guys that have skill is way off to me. You need to a mix of everything. Backlund and Coleman types are needed on winning teams. Pospisil types are needed on winning teams. Just look at the 2 teams in the finals.

IMO you need to build a great top 6 and the bottom 6 will be built with different types of players. Most top teams have a veteran former top 6 forward who plays a different role then they did in their prime. Guy like Marchand. You need some good penalty killers in this group, you need guys that can forecheck, bring energy and hit everything in sight.

On defense, very similar. PK studs are needed, like a Tanev type.

You also need to assess the talent of young players vs the contract they are asking for. Teams that have too many $4 to $6 million players playing down the line up kill the cap. As your team improves, there is only so much ice time for everyone and nothing hurts more than a player falling out of the mix with a big contract.

No elite team has more than 5 elite players too. This whole idea of 3 superstar 1st liners, 1 superstar 2nd line center with 2 superstar D and goalie is something that never happens.

IMO Miller is worth a look if they contract is reasonable. He is big and fast. Paired with the right dman, I wouldn't expect him to become a 50+ point guy but having a bunch of big and fast dmen often results in a team tough to play against. With a rising cap and a NYR team that will want to make a splash to get better, Miller could be odd man out but still bring a lot to the table.

I really doubt Conroy is going to trade Rasmus and not add a dman. I think the cost to add Miller could be low. Could be our Niko Mikkola

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’d hope so.

The Flames lack a top end, and all asset spends should be directed to that.

2nd/3rd pairing guys are available all the time, including in free agency.

Difference makers are rarely available in trade. And if they are, they go for a boatload, which doesn’t line up with our timeline.

Given that we aren’t in the market for players in their prime, need to focus on the players in their early 20s that are available that fit our timeline and for whatever reason (contract, depth) are made available for trade. But finding an elite skilled difference maker that fits our timeline via trade is unlikely.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Brock Nelson signs in Colorado 3 years 7.5 AAV. Ugly.

I haven't been reading stuff with much detail lately and actually thought it was 3 years and 7.5MM over the life of the deal, and thought that quite seemed reasonable...

Now seeing it is 7.5PER, it's kinda ridonkulous.

[SuperMatt18]

They made a bad trade to trade for him, and now doubled down by extending him to a bad contract.

Won't give Rantanen an extra $1M but will give Brock Nelson $7.5M

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

100% been saying this about 100 times. This whole idea of having 4 lines of guys that have skill is way off to me. You need to a mix of everything. Backlund and Coleman types are needed on winning teams. Pospisil types are needed on winning teams. Just look at the 2 teams in the finals.

IMO you need to build a great top 6 and the bottom 6 will be built with different types of players. Most top teams have a veteran former top 6 forward who plays a different role then they did in their prime. Guy like Marchand. You need some good penalty killers in this group, you need guys that can forecheck, bring energy and hit everything in sight.

On defense, very similar. PK studs are needed, like a Tanev type.

You also need to assess the talent of young players vs the contract they are asking for. Teams that have too many $4 to $6 million players playing down the line up kill the cap. As your team improves, there is only so much ice time for everyone and nothing hurts more than a player falling out of the mix with a big contract.

No elite team has more than 5 elite players too. This whole idea of 3 superstar 1st liners, 1 superstar 2nd line center with 2 superstar D and goalie is something that never happens.

IMO Miller is worth a look if they contract is reasonable. He is big and fast. Paired with the right dman, I wouldn't expect him to become a 50+ point guy but having a bunch of big and fast dmen often results in a team tough to play against. With a rising cap and a NYR team that will want to make a splash to get better, Miller could be odd man out but still bring a lot to the table.

I really doubt Conroy is going to trade Rasmus and not add a dman. I think the cost to add Miller could be low. Could be our Niko Mikkola

You aren't wrong. Oilers have proven you dont really need defensive specialists. They just keep stacking speed and size. If you can teach a big pylon like Nurse to box out and transition the puck up then anyone can do it. Best defense is being able to get the puck out quick in transition so they have no zone time and having big bodies to stand in lanes.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They made a bad trade to trade for him, and now doubled down by extending him to a bad contract.

Won't give Rantanen an extra $1M but will give Brock Nelson $7.5M

I think we’re watching the end of MacKinnon and Makar and in Colorado over the next 2 seasons. The way MacKinnon spoke at the end of the series, and Makar’s pending free agent status (yeah, I’m a homer with a dream) - I’m not sure if MacKinnon sees how they’re going to get the team back to the top end.

They made a quality for quantity trade, and then traded more of their prime assets for old stuff that was available at the trade deadline.

Operating with such a narrow, shortsighted view is not going to help MacKinnon’s desire to stay in Colorado.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think we’re watching the end of MacKinnon and Makar and in Colorado over the next 2 seasons. The way MacKinnon spoke at the end of the series, and Makar’s pending free agent status (yeah, I’m a homer with a dream) - I’m not sure if MacKinnon sees how they’re going to get the team back to the top end.

They made a quality for quantity trade, and then traded more of their prime assets for old stuff that was available at the trade deadline.

Operating with such a narrow, shortsighted view is not going to help MacKinnon’s desire to stay in Colorado.

It's not a dream on the Makar side imo... with some exposure to the families I think this could be some reverse karma for Gaudreau leaving to be closer to families, where I believe the proximity to a tight knit family could be the same thing in our favour this time.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames had a really good idea they could sign Makar in 2 years would you as a fan be in favor of a Parekh for Misa (#2 pick) trade?

Just offseason fun talk

[LokiMotion]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

It's not a dream on the Makar side imo... with some exposure to the families I think this could be some reverse karma for Gaudreau leaving to be closer to families, where I believe the proximity to a tight knit family could be the same thing in our favour this time.

Assuming the kids pan out, a top 4 in 2027 of some combination of Makar, Parekh, Bru, Weegar / Bahl sounds dreamy

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames had a really good idea they could sign Makar in 2 years would you as a fan be in favor of a Parekh for Misa (#2 pick) trade?

Just offseason fun talk

I wouldn't, not that it is the worst idea in the world.

I would wait until after the Flames signed Makar, then make subsequent moves after that. Parekh's value could be much higher in two years than it is now. If things play out at projected, you could possibly flip him for a more NHL ready or proven asset at that point if you did want to go the #1 center for a d-man trade route.

Although having Makar and Parekh (assuming he progresses as we hope) would be a pretty amazing thing to behold.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames had a really good idea they could sign Makar in 2 years would you as a fan be in favor of a Parekh for Misa (#2 pick) trade?

Just offseason fun talk

Parekh's chance of turning into, at least, a top 4 d-man is very high. Misa has a lot more risk of being a bust. I'd wait until Parekh has a year to establish himself and then trade for a more established young centre.

If the Flames do bring in Makar, it's going to potentially create trouble with Parekh. Both right handed shots who'll be wanting those prime offensive opportunities.

[PepsiFree]

The dream is that we don’t need Makar because we have Parekh. If that doesn’t come to be, then sign Makar. But I certainly wouldn’t move Parekh without Makar locked down, even if it means you miss selling Parekh at a high.

[Ped]

According to Friedman, the Flyers are pursuing Hague.


Pagnotta suggests that Marchment could be on the block for cap savings.

[Monahammer]

If we get Makar, it's obviously Weegar you move not Parekh.

I think we should move Weegar even sooner.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames had a really good idea they could sign Makar in 2 years would you as a fan be in favor of a Parekh for Misa (#2 pick) trade?

Just offseason fun talk

Call me a homer if you want, but I think there's a decent chance Parekh ends up as good or better than Makar. You rarely see defensemen do what he did in junior (and the last in the OHL was Orr). He's already so poised and he also has the smarts and determination that I think he'll be a top defenseman in the league for a long time.

Misa will be good, I'm sure, but doesn't sound like he'll be in that upper echelon tier of centers and you'd want an upper echelon center in return if you're trading Parekh.

As much as I love Weegs, I agree that if you are able to sign Makar in 2 years he would be the one I'd offload, not Parekh.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'd take Hague just based on pure pedigree.
Miller also has a huge hardon for U.S markets, I've heard that Seattle is very interested.

Miller has the better pedigree, he was a 1st round pick and Hague was a 2nd round pick.

Miller has also averaged over 20 mins a night every year he has been in the NHL, Hague has never averaged over 20 mins.

Miller is the much better player and it isn't really close. Hague is a 2nd pairing player at best and more suited for the 3rd pairing. Miller averaged the 2nd most minutes behind Fox on the Rangers defense. He is a 1st pairing guy on a lot of teams, but is probably best suited as a 2nd pairing player.

Miller would be on the 1st pairing in Calgary, Hague would slot in behind Bahl.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by FanSince'01

Call me a homer if you want, but I think there's a decent chance Parekh ends up as good or better than Makar. You rarely see defensemen do what he did in junior (and the last in the OHL was Orr). He's already so poised and he also has the smarts and determination that I think he'll be a top defenseman in the league for a long time.

Misa will be good, I'm sure, but doesn't sound like he'll be in that upper echelon tier of centers and you'd want an upper echelon center in return if you're trading Parekh.

As much as I love Weegs, I agree that if you are able to sign Makar in 2 years he would be the one I'd offload, not Parekh.

Wtf. If zayne is better then Makar then he will be the best D to ever play in the NHL.