CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

I'm not even going to try and defend myself, as I'm sure everyone will be able to figure out what my motives would have been if I was either Barrow, Parker, or town. For now, if I were a town member I would completely disregard any of my previous theories/lists as I'm not confident in them anymore. I'm still suspicious of CofR and DropIt, and now a little more of CaptainCrunch - but I could be way off.

Honest question: If ineedanother has been proven town, why has he not been killed at night yet? Wouldn't that help muddy the waters for mafia?

For everyone that is considering voting for me, let me ask you this: when I die and flip Town, who are you next targets? What does my death signify? Obviously, there will be two more card flips to assist in that decision... but what will you all do?


Let me propose an idea that I believe will increase the odds of us lynching a mafia member in this day, and possibly subsequent days:

I am town and win when town wins. If it is a given that ineedanother is a town member, keep me alive and I will forfeit my right to vote for the rest of the game. Any vote that ineedanother makes, I will make the same as well. Ultimately this game is about killing of mafia, and I believe this will increase our chances.

From a towns person perspective, there is now 5 mafia members to find among 14 people. It's almost like fast forwarding a day into the future without losing a town member (and possibly lynching one).

Hmmm... If this works, it keeps you alive to resume killing every night. The chances of lynching a townie are still better than a mafia member from a statistical point of view, and this little plan wouldn't help town since you wont be contributing, just following a single confirmed townie...

This reeks of a desperate mafia member.

VOTE: LEGOMAN

[Lego Man]

I could still be contributing, only my votes will always align with ineedanother.

My point is there is no need to waste a day voting for a town member.

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

Hmmm... If this works, it keeps you alive to resume killing every night.

I hadn't even thought of that.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

Hmmm... If this works, it keeps you alive to resume killing every night. The chances of lynching a townie are still better than a mafia member from a statistical point of view, and this little plan wouldn't help town since you wont be contributing, just following a single confirmed townie...

This reeks of a desperate mafia member.

That was my first thought when I read it as well, of course, since I suspect him as mafia, who knows what that means.

The other issue with that is ineedanother doesn't really seem to be contributing, but I don't recall if he is voting, will need to check that.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This. After reading through 10 million posts I am almost certain Rathji is town. Lets concentrate on the posters we have sniffed out more. I am also on board with voting flameswin but there is no hurry yet.

This is a very important point.

I want to go back and look at who "shut Starseed up" and when the votes came in for for him.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Rathji

The other issue with that is ineedanother doesn't really seem to be contributing, but I don't recall if he is voting, will need to check that.

looks like ineedanother has only voted 2/4 times, once being the first day.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

I'm not even going to try and defend myself, as I'm sure everyone will be able to figure out what my motives would have been if I was either Barrow, Parker, or town. For now, if I were a town member I would completely disregard any of my previous theories/lists as I'm not confident in them anymore. I'm still suspicious of CofR and DropIt, and now a little more of CaptainCrunch - but I could be way off.

Honest question: If ineedanother has been proven town, why has he not been killed at night yet? Wouldn't that help muddy the waters for mafia?

For everyone that is considering voting for me, let me ask you this: when I die and flip Town, who are you next targets? What does my death signify? Obviously, there will be two more card flips to assist in that decision... but what will you all do?


Let me propose an idea that I believe will increase the odds of us lynching a mafia member in this day, and possibly subsequent days:

I am town and win when town wins. If it is a given that ineedanother is a town member, keep me alive and I will forfeit my right to vote for the rest of the game. Any vote that ineedanother makes, I will make the same as well. Ultimately this game is about killing of mafia, and I believe this will increase our chances.

From a towns person perspective, there is now 5 mafia members to find among 14 people. It's almost like fast forwarding a day into the future without losing a town member (and possibly lynching one).

This isn't much of a defense to me, your actions so far have either been mafia or insane town, you haven't really done much in the way of investigation. You throw out more names with little substance behind it, then you try to cut a no vote deal which if your mafia allows you to extend your mafia's night kill vote right to the end and keep a mafia faction alive to the very end.

Combined with your earlier stuff that I've posted about over and over and your defense of a known mafia member. I firmly believe you are mafia, and your death will serve to point us in the direction of your fellow mafia members.

Vote Lego man

Your deal is more advantageous if you are scum and less advantageous to the town if you are town.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by starseed

Alright, I decided not to create a more extensive list, as I think it is in the best interests of the doctor/cop/RB'er to have greater numbers to hide amongst. So I will instead further research and layout my suspicions for my top suspects. (I was hoping you #######s would do the work when I was gone, but you instead decided to let the sword of damocles hang over me for the whole day)

CC:

• Starting the agulati train, then bailing when it was assured, while stating that he still suspected agulati (perhaps to prevent more jumpoffs?). This would at least take him off of CBL's list of people who always voted for the lynch.
• Potential connection to completely. Could be reason why he targeted LegoMan starting before agulati hammer:
• From the beginning of the thread, CC hints to mafia that they need a truce, such as: more hints to other mafia?: More discussing reasons for mafia kills:
• Then there was the bizarre exchange with legoman.
• I just dont buy the "Im surprised I am alive" type of posts:
• Yesterday and today he was in with completely to try and rush the hammer

Completely would be implicated with a CC mafia flip I would think.





He also echoed CC's points on agulati. A lot of his other posts dont have much substance.


(I am going to post this now, as I see more posts coming in, and I am paranoid that hammer is going to fall before I submit this... baxter thoughts, plus thoughts on game psychology to come)

Originally Posted by starseed

Baxter:

• Not a whole lot of posting in general. Is called out for inactivity, then starts posting more.
• His reasoning for voting for agulati: Not sure that joining the crowd is pro-town thinking, but certainly could be a (weak) means of defending oneself when they flip town.
• 'Right now our best bet is to vote based on bizaro's post history' then asks for help in searching bizaros posts, then in the same post he votes for SP.
• His pushing the hammer on me right now should ring alarm bells
• I think there is another reason that I am forgetting atm

Anyways, game psychology thoughts. The problems we have seemingly run into are a lack of balls. People are too afraid to vote with their head in fear of perceived alignments if they are wrong. I think we need to start using our heads more, and not being so chicken ####.


The problem we have is pouncing on minor errors that really dont mean anything. Voting should be based on sound logic and reason, and a body of work, not one meaningless slipup. I hope the agulati lesson sticks with us to the end of the game.


Pressure is a good thing, but maybe don't pressure with votes that the mafia can use to hammer someone at the last minute. Use the threat of voting, then follow through based on reason and their responses.


That is all for now.

Originally Posted by DropIt

I would agree that CC does come across incriminating when you put his posts back-to-back like that, there does seem to be a few oddly spoken posts in and out of those quoted..

I'm not sure that I would agree with the Completely theory based on one, thinly veiled post to incriminate the tow of them together, but I could see where your thoughts on CC comes from.

Originally Posted by DropIt

unvote

vote: starseed

Feel like Starseed's cardflip needs to happen at this point given everything that has gone on around him. It should open some doors on to how we progress from here.

Originally Posted by Completely

Vote: Starseed

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Vote Count:

With 20 alive, it takes 11 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 7 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (3): CofR, dissentowner, ineedanother

Voting:
starseed (11): HalifaxDrunk, Baxter Renegade, Oling_Roachinen, flameswin, strombad, Crazy Bacon Legs, Street Pharmacist, undercoverbrother, Completely, CaptainCrunch, DropIt
CaptainCrunch (3): starseed, kermitology, Rathji
CofR (2): Hockeyguy15, Lego Man
dissentowner (1): Aeneas

A long, tiring day drew to a close. The fog never quite dissapated, which put quite a few on edge. There was plenty of heated debate that spurred the town to action, and eventually the consensus was that starseed had to die.

Unlike some of the other poor souls that were lynched earlier, starseed was not content to go quietly. There was plenty of shouting and struggling as they brought starseed aside to finish the day off. His final words surprised many, as he shouted "What a waste of time! You've already given this town away, fools. It's too late to change what we started!"

With that said, it was much easier for them to take care of starseed.

starseed, Parker Mafia, lynched Day 4.

The Mafia numbers were beginning to drop, but was he right? Was there enough time to finish the rest off before they took over? Cautious optimism seemed to be the feeling for many as they left the town square into the fog that evening.

It is now Night 4. You may not post in the thread during this time.

If you have night actions, they must be PM'd to me by Thursday, May 15th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time. Please title the PM "Night 4 Action". If everyone submits their night actions before the deadline, I will open the thread as soon as I process all actions.

I am really looking at three:

• Captain Crunch
• Completely
• Dropit

I am also getting tired of Flameswin's eeyore routine.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am really looking at three:

• Captain Crunch
• Completely
• Dropit

I am also getting tired of Flameswin's eeyore routine.

Because all I've done is try to kill mafia, and my voting is based around that pursuit?

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Combined with your earlier stuff that I've posted about over and over and your defense of a known mafia member. I firmly believe you are mafia, and your death will serve to point us in the direction of your fellow mafia members.

Like I regret being so adamant about defending starseed, you'll will regret your agenda to lynch me.

Have fun with that.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Because all I've done is try to kill mafia, and my voting is based around that pursuit?

You will not I have not voted. I am suspicious of you, and your timing. We have run into lynching our own people before (yes I was on those trains). Starseed was singing like a bird, we it fluff designed to muddy the waters or was it on point and Barrow was getting uncomfortable.


We had time to discuss things more, and Starseed (as the clocked ticked down) would have become more desperate.

I can't see the positive in shutting him up early.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am really looking at three:

• Captain Crunch
• Completely
• Dropit

I am also getting tired of Flameswin's eeyore routine.

Haha eyre routine? I think it's actually advantageous to lunch me at this point. That'a why I voted for myself.

[jayswin]

Damnit, that was eyore and lynch.

[Baxter Renegade]

Can someone post a chart of Parker and Barrow confirmed members as well as confirmed kills by each again? i know one was posted before but i dont have time to search right now... I gotta do some stupid work and make some stupid money to pay stupid bills.

[Baxter Renegade]

One more thing, if the cop gets lynched or night killed, is he allowed to share his findings in his death post and/or pre-lynch post?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

Like I regret being so adamant about defending starseed, you'll will regret your agenda to lynch me.

Have fun with that.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

One more thing, if the cop gets lynched or night killed, is he allowed to share his findings in his death post and/or pre-lynch post?

Great question.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't think that you can pass any information in the death post.

I would assume that any cop if he was in threatening waters would throw out his information pre lynch to save himself.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

One more thing, if the cop gets lynched or night killed, is he allowed to share his findings in his death post and/or pre-lynch post?

No one is allowed to post direct thoughts on people or advice in their death posts. I have been vetting most of the death posts before they were posted to make sure they weren't trying to make accusations while dead.

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

No one is allowed to post direct thoughts on people or advice in their death posts. I have been vetting most of the death posts before they were posted to make sure they weren't trying to make accusations while dead.

Ok, but he could do so pre-lynch? Or he could throw out this data at anytime while alive, outing himself in the process?