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Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I am not interested in blaming people. Blaming people doesn't help the situation. Being ****ed off and angry at the individual doesn't help either.

Well I do place blame. I send my normal, well-adjusted kids off to school and some ******* decides he wants to kill them.

Philly06Cup · 09-13-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Well I do place blame. I send my normal, well-adjusted kids off to school and some ******* decides he wants to kill them.

Your energies are better spent in creating solutions instead of being angry and frustrated, trying to figure out who to blame. You want to sit there, do nothing, complain that sh*t happens, and then complain even more when it does happen. It's no wonder solutions never do arise, because the world is comprised of so many people like that.

Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Your energies are better spent in creating solutions instead of being angry and frustrated, trying to figure out who to blame. You want to sit there, do nothing, complain that sh*t happens, and then complain even more when it does happen. It's no wonder solutions never do arise, because the world is comprised of so many people like that.

Sorry I can't save the world there, pal. Guess you'll just have to give it the ol 200% yourself.

And don't tell people they have no right to be angry.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 09:53 PM

Anger never solved anything. At best it does nothing at its worst it only makes things worse.
I agree that we need to try and solve the problem instead of just sitting around saying **** happens. the problem is that people would rather deal with it after it happens then attemp to prevent it from happening.

Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

I agree that we need to try and solve the problem instead of just sitting around saying **** happens.

Well then be my guest. Because all you're doing is offering up a bunch of semi-literate clichéd sermonizing.

jar_e · 09-13-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Anger never solved anything. At best it does nothing at its worst it only makes things worse.
I agree that we need to try and solve the problem instead of just sitting around saying **** happens. the problem is that people would rather deal with it after it happens then attemp to prevent it from happening.

Maybe tell that to the shooter...

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 10:12 PM

Exactly, The shooter wasn't right to use his anger in a way that would be harmfull. Look were anger got him,
Obviously I can't change the world, but i can suggest where i think society should aim or what it should strive to do.

JiriHrdina · 09-13-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Exactly, The shooter wasn't right to use his anger in a way that would be harmfull. Look were anger got him,
Obviously I can't change the world, but i can suggest where i think society should aim or what it should strive to do.

Which is what? Give me some practical solutions since you have the answers. Not some mumbo jumbo about undrestanding each other - I want to hear practical, implementable solutions.

jar_e · 09-13-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Exactly, The shooter wasn't right to use his anger in a way that would be harmfull. Look were anger got him,
Obviously I can't change the world, but i can suggest where i think society should aim or what it should strive to do.

Look I'm all up for living and learning from situations, but for crying out loud, how can't you be angry at a person like this?

If someone came in, shot at YOUR kid would you be mad than?

I am no way an expert in anything about society or making the world a better place, but for pete's sake have some sympathy towards the victims and stop trying to downplay the shooters actions.

This guy shot 20 people. 20 innocent people.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 10:29 PM

Sorry both there is not a easy fix for the problem. We can't just implement legislation that will solve the problem. We need to educated our people on the reasons behind the actions. And make sure those with mental problems or psycological issues get the help and treatment they need.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 10:31 PM

No one is down playing the shooters actions.
Don't you think it can be helpfull to figure out why the person or people did such a horible thing?

Jayems · 09-13-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Sorry both there is not a easy fix for the problem. We can't just implement legislation that will solve the problem. We need to educated our people on the reasons behind the actions. And make sure those with mental problems or psycological issues get the help and treatment they need.

Are you aware why most mentally ill patients go off their meds? Why? Most of the time, because of the medication, they feel fine and decided that they must be able to stop taking the medication.

You try telling a paranoid-schizophrenic* off his meds to:

a. get help
b. stay calm
c. don't be angry
d. put down the gun (?)**

*not assuming this guy is..
** again...

jar_e · 09-13-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

No one is down playing the shooters actions.
Don't you think it can be helpfull to figure out why the person or people did such a horible thing?

Totally. I couldn't agree more.

But the shooter is dead, an innocent girl is dead, and 20 people are shot. If we ever find out, yes we'll learn from it. But unfortunately, these things are such isolated incidents that I don't think we can do much to help.

And once we do find out, every criminal is different, some are driven by rage, some by stupidity, and some by mental problems. I think it would be interesting to find out why this person did this but I'm not sure if it's going to really help in the long run.

Jayems · 09-13-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

No one is down playing the shooters actions.
Don't you think it can be helpfull to figure out why the person or people did such a horible thing?

Will the answer bring justice to what he did? My guess is 99.9% of people will say "thats no excuse".

flames_1987 · 09-13-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jar_e

Can't we just accept the fact that some people are beyond help? Like fotze pointed out, I don't think there's much taht could be done to prevent this. If a 25 year old male is still mad because he was bullied, I'm pretty sure his time to get help has passed.

A little off the debate...I'm guessing if the shooter was 25 he wasn't a student than was he?

bingo

V · 09-13-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Oh, I agree, but in Taber, one kid died. It is not the same mass murder or attempted murder that has now happened twice in Montreal. Why hasn't this happened in Toronto with a much larger population or in Vancouver? Why has it happened twice in Montreal? There is cause and effect here.

The Montreal Massacre, taking place on December 6, 1989, was completely different than either the Taber or this latest tragedy.

The 89 massacre was about Marc Lepine, a 25 year old guy who didn't make the cut to get into engineering school. He decided it was all of the women's fault who took his place. He killed 14 women because he felt women did not belong in an engineering school, and he, as a man, did.

On to the terrible speller, I really can't believe the bodies of the victims are still bleeding and you're asking for sympathy towards the shooters. I want to reach through my screen and wring your neck.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayems

Will the answer bring justice to what he did? My guess is 99.9% of people will say "thats no excuse".

Justice is not the focus of my discusion. Achieving justice is a whole other debate. My focus is on preventing another insident like this from happening.
There is no excuse, but there is a reason.

Jayems · 09-13-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Justice is not the focus of my discusion. Achieving justice is a whole other debate. My focus is on preventing another insident like this from happening.
There is no excuse, but there is a reason.

Yeah, and you will never solve that reason in certian people. Ever.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 11:00 PM

Don't you get it i am not saying that he deserves sympothy for the shooting. But if he would have recieved sympothy for whatever drove him to such an act maybe it could have been prevented.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayems

Yeah, and you will never solve that reason in certian people. Ever.

Maybe not but it's worth a try.