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HelloHockeyFans · 09-13-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

It is not the same mass murder or attempted murder that has now happened twice in Montreal. Why hasn't this happened in Toronto with a much larger population or in Vancouver?

Pickton murdered 27 and buried them in his farm in Port Coquitlam, which is basically Vancouver.

Earlier this year (in March or April I believe) 8 bodies were found in Ontario in the province's worst mass murder.

JiriHrdina · 09-13-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I'm saying the murderous frame of mind this kid has is a illness, which should be treated and be sympathised with, just like someone who is autistic or deaf. I don't buy the argument that he freely chose to be a murderous rampant; there were some conditions that made him this way, and we should try to help our citizens who have illnesses, rather than just mock them and dismiss them as bogging down our society and entirely placing the blame on them.

I'm sorry but comparing murder with someone who is deaf is absurd. One person lives with the fact they are deaf and did not choose that, the other at some point made a choice to fire a gun.

We can debate what made that person do that, but the fact remains they made a choice to pull the trigger.

Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Let me set this straight. I am not saying that i do not have sympothy for those who were injured or killed. It is important however to realize that this stuff is happening. We as a society need to try and figure out the underling reasons behind theses actions in order tpo prevent them from happening again.

They'll always happen. Get used to it.

Philly06Cup · 09-13-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pope04

Sorry, but how do you know all this?

Are you suggesting that it is perfectly reasonable and rational to want to shoot and try to kill tens, hundreds of innocent students of whom you have no real relation to? Intuitively, one would have to be 'crazy' to seriously consider such a notion. crazy, i.e. , suffering from some sort of mental illness.

flames_1987 · 09-13-2006, 08:46 PM

It seems the second an incident like this happens the first thing we do is start spewing out what other people or things made him or her do this. Sure we need to look into this, but sometimes we need to realize that there are just plain screwed up people in this world that are going to do stupid things. We don't even know the story, and some people are already saying how this would've been avoided had people given him the time of day or been friendly.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Jesus H. Christ. Someone's daughter/sister/lover is lying dead in a police morgue right now. Hell, the victim was in her 20s -- she may very well be someone's MOTHER.

All we hear from you is how being nicer to the weird kids will solve everything.

Grow the hell up.

Grow up???
Open your eyes. I realize that this is a delicate situation, and i do feel for the victems and their families. So do you feel that being mean to "wierd kids is the answer? I uppose a good swift kick in the ass would have prevented this right?

We need a sollution and all i am doing is suggesting what i think would help.

Philly06Cup · 09-13-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

They'll always happen. Get used to it.

I guess I should take out my firearms, go to your workplace and start shooting then, so that you "get used to it."

We should try to reduce chances of this occuring again, and do the most we can to Try to prevent future acts from occurring.

Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 08:48 PM

Well, turns out the gunman was a 25 year old man.

Couldn't have been too smart. Police whacked 'im when he tried to leave the building.

Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I guess I should take out my firearms, go to your workplace and start shooting then, so that you "get used to it."

Given your sympathies, I suspect you might.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

They'll always happen. Get used to it.

War will always happen to but it doesn't meen we shouldn't try and prevent it. All we can do is try to limite how often it happens.

Philly06Cup · 09-13-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flames_1987

It seems the second an incident like this happens the first thing we do is start spewing out what other people or things made him or her do this. Sure we need to look into this, but sometimes we need to realize that there are just plain screwed up people in this world that are going to do stupid things. We don't even know the story, and some people are already saying how this would've been avoided had people given him the time of day or been friendly.

Yes. There are screwed up people in the world who do stupid things. They have serious problems. And if we don't help them with their problems, then they become our problems. They should be helped and rehabilitated, instead of ostracised.

pope04 · 09-13-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Are you suggesting that it is perfectly reasonable and rational to want to shoot and try to kill tens, hundreds of innocent students of whom you have no real relation to? Intuitively, one would have to be 'crazy' to seriously consider such a notion. crazy, i.e. , suffering from some sort of mental illness.

You skirted my question. How do you have special insight into the scumbag's state of mind and that he deserved treatment and sympathy? How do you know that there were "some conditions that made him this way?"

flames_1987 · 09-13-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Yes. There are screwed up people in the world who do stupid things. They have serious problems. And if we don't help them with their problems, then they become our problems. They should be helped and rehabilitated, instead of ostracised.

It's not that simple. Many mass murderer's we're known to have been great around people and come off as having very good personalitys. Making it VERY VERY hard to notice if someone is in fact that screwed up in the head.

RougeUnderoos · 09-13-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pope04

You skirted my question. How do you have special insight into the scumbag's state of mind and that he deserved treatment and sympathy? How do you know that there were "some conditions that made him this way?"

I don't want to get in the middle of this, but obviously there were "some conditions that made him this way" simply because he was "that way". He didn't just appear out of nowhere with a gun in his hand.

Something led to this guy being crazy. It's not an excuse, a cop-out, a justification or anything else. The guy was crazy and there was a reason for it. I don't have any sympathy either but it's not some special insight to say he needed treatment. I mean really, that's like pointing at a house that is burned down and saying "what special insight do you have to say they should have phoned the fire department"?

pope04 · 09-13-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

They should be helped and rehabilitated, instead of ostracised.

I think the killer in this instance has been "helped and rehabilitated" the most effective way.

moon · 09-13-2006, 09:17 PM

Hey if this guy had some sort of chemical inbalance that made him nuts or if he had some horrific things happen to him in his youth then I feel a little bit more sympathy that he didn't get the helped he needed sooner, but if this is a case of the kids called me nerd or my dad didn't go to my little league game then I am sorry he is a loser and doesn't get any sort of sympathy from me.

I am sick and tired of having to hear all these excuses for these people nowadays because they didn't fit in when they were younger or their dad gave them the red bike when they wanted a blue bike.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 09:21 PM

I Don't think anyone is making excuses. There is no good excuse for what he did however there is a reason and that reason needs to be realized and delt with. If we don't learn from unfortunate and horific events we just sit here ****ed off.

Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 09:21 PM

Well the guy was 25 years old, so presumably he had some say in how his particular "issues" would be treated. Surely he had a lucid moment or two at some point in his adulthood.

If this is the case, its possible he turned down help. Then who is to blame?

Philly06Cup · 09-13-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Well the guy was 25 years old, so presumably he had some say in how his particular "issues" would be treated. Surely he had a lucid moment or two at some point in his adulthood.

If this is the case, its possible he turned down help. Then who is to blame?

I am not interested in blaming people. Blaming people doesn't help the situation. Being ****ed off and angry at the individual doesn't help either.

If the situation is what you suggested, then it is a very sad case.

jar_e · 09-13-2006, 09:31 PM

Can't we just accept the fact that some people are beyond help? Like fotze pointed out, I don't think there's much taht could be done to prevent this. If a 25 year old male is still mad because he was bullied, I'm pretty sure his time to get help has passed.

A little off the debate...I'm guessing if the shooter was 25 he wasn't a student than was he?