[Trade] Seattle trades Pitlick to the Flames for a 2022 4th round pick

[united]

For context to the Tyler Pitlick, Derek Ryan replacement, or Tyler Pitlick, premium position, stuff getting posted, keep in mind Derek Ryan has averaged 10 faceoffs per game. Tyler Pitlick has averaged 34 faceoffs per 82-game season.

I haven't seen him play centre, personally. In Arizona he played wing predominantly with Dvorak, in Philly with Scott Laughton, and in Dallas before that with Radek Faksa.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

"Draft capital" is one of the few that I don't mind, because it identifies something of numerical value. Not all first rounders are equal, so to say that a team with a higher pick has more draft capital is an empirical reference. It only really becomes useful when identifying multiple picks, or in direct comparison of value. It might be easier to say, "Calgary has the draft capital available to purchase Marc Staal, instead of saying that Calgary has a third, two fifths and a seventh". It identifies a range instead of specifics.

But you could just say "Calgary has the draft picks available..." and it means the exact same thing. Whether you say they have the draft picks available or the draft capital available... it's the same, you still have no more idea what those picks are without clarification by calling it one thing over the other.

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I guess expending draft CAPITAL (suck it PepsiFree) hurts because so many of the Flames major success stories have been late round picks, and I feel our scouts have done such a great job of unearthing these mid to late round gems that have been significant contributors to our teams success or other teams successes. Personally I would rather have a guy like Mangiapane or Brodie than a Pitlick. I just like seeing guys grow and develop within a teams system. The more darts you have the more chances you have of hitting a bullseye.

Mangiapane, Anderson, Brodie, Gaudreau, Paul Byron (sorry he was a Bufflo pick), Michael Ferland etc.

Thank you for the offer but you do not seem like my type and I'm not interested in a long distance thing atm. Best of luck finding love.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by united

For context to the Tyler Pitlick, Derek Ryan replacement, or Tyler Pitlick, premium position, stuff getting posted, keep in mind Derek Ryan has averaged 10 faceoffs per game. Tyler Pitlick has averaged 34 faceoffs per 82-game season.

I haven't seen him play centre, personally. In Arizona he played wing predominantly with Dvorak, in Philly with Scott Laughton, and in Dallas before that with Radek Faksa.

Yeah, without seeing that much of the player - most of what I can find online shows him as a RW.

Which I think then probably makes our bottom-six RW's Pitlick, Ritchie, and Phillips?

[SuperMatt18]

One thing I think we see the return of in Calgary this year is "Roles"

Under Peters/Ward I never felt like our forwards really had or understood their roles. We rolled 4 lines, and everyone was expected to contribute, but I'm not sure we see clear roles.

Pitlick is a guy that clearly fits a role on this team as a third line RWer that can play on a shutdown line.

What I see shaping up so far is a clear definition of top 6, shutdown line, energy line.

TOP 6: Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Monahan

Shutdown: Backlund, Pitlick

Energy/Size: Lucic, Ritchie

Undefined right now: Dube, Zary, Pelletier, Phillips, Gawdin, Ruzicka

[868904]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

One thing I think we see the return of in Calgary this year is "Roles"

Under Peters/Ward I never felt like our forward really had or understood their roles. We rolled 4 lines, and everyone was expected to contribute, but I'm not sure we see clear roles.

Pitlick is a guy that clearly fits a role on this team as a third line RWer that can play on a shutdown line.

What I see shaping up so far is a clear definition of top 6, shutdown line, energy line.

TOP 6: Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Monahan

Shutdown: Backlund, Pitlick

Energy/Size: Lucic, Ritchie

Undefined right now: Dube, Zary, Pelletier, Phillips, Gawdin, Ruzicka

Backlund and Pitlick has the makings of a very good shutdown line. Lucic could play there too.

It will be interesting to see if the Flames spend money on a veteran centre like Brandon Sutter or if they go cheap and sign a Trevor Lewis and have him mentor Gawdin. Also depends on what happens with Monahan and if Backlund stays as the "third line centre".

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

One thing I think we see the return of in Calgary this year is "Roles"

Under Peters/Ward I never felt like our forward really had or understood their roles. We rolled 4 lines, and everyone was expected to contribute, but I'm not sure we see clear roles.

Pitlick is a guy that clearly fits a role on this team as a third line RWer that can play on a shutdown line.

What I see shaping up so far is a clear definition of top 6, shutdown line, energy line.

TOP 6: Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Monahan

Shutdown: Backlund, Pitlick

Energy/Size: Lucic, Ritchie

Undefined right now: Dube, Zary, Pelletier, Phillips, Gawdin, Ruzicka

Agreed.

I was just working on lines, assuming the addition of Pitlick. I think a 3rd line of Dube - Backlund - Pitlick would be fantastic, by the way.

But what jumped out of the exercise was that I had the same 5 top-6 guys you listed. We need another top 6 guy. And if we can find the right one, I think the forward lines can fall into place nicely.

[Flame On]

If the team isn't going to be high end skill (which lets face it they are not), then I want them to get bigger and harder to push around and this fits in nicely like that. Super ok with it.

[GioforPM]

Everyone’s talking 3rd rounder, but mid round is 3-5. A 4th would be a lot better. After all, this is a one year contract only that you are purchasing.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^Can someone explain what all that means?

[rhino]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Everyone’s talking 3rd rounder, but mid round is 3-5. A 4th would be a lot better. After all, this is a one year contract only that you are purchasing.

well we don't have a 4th this year so a 5 or next years 4th?

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Everyone’s talking 3rd rounder, but mid round is 3-5. A 4th would be a lot better. After all, this is a one year contract only that you are purchasing.

One of the insiders specifically mentioned Edmonton’s third I think, maybe Friedman?

We’ll see what it ends up being but the timing just doesn’t make sense for such a mediocre depth player.

[rhino]

Is it not better to use a 3rd round pick that MAY make your lineup 3 years from now for an experienced role guy on a cheap 1 year deal?

[t0rrent98]

Probably more serviceable than Leivo, Simon and Nordstrom combined.. haha... At least he's gotten rid of the stench from the No goods up north.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by rhino

Is it not better to use a 3rd round pick that MAY make your lineup 3 years from now for an experienced role guy on a cheap 1 year deal?

Expiring contracts are attractive at the TDL but not in the offseason to me. It’s really just a longer rental.

I guess realistically you look at what players are likely available around the Edmonton pick and assess whether they are realistic NHLers at all.

[Brad Marsh]

I like this trade and don't mind the rumored third round pick at all. But then again, I initially view most of Treliving's work quite positively, and yet here we are again trying to figure out how to get back into the playoffs. Nevertheless, here's what I do like:

Physical, shut-down, right winger who can kill penalties is a hole on this team. Someone who will almost certainly fit into Sutter's system very well - which is a good thing for as long as Sutter is the coach. This trade checks something off that was absolutely on the "to-do" list this off-season.

Not many third-line RW players of this quality on the free agent market for $1.75M. We saw what was on that market last year: Simon, Nordstrom, etc. We tried that last year and it didn't work. I'm ok trying to address this gap through trade this year.

The only other route I may have wanted to try was whether or not an internal player could step in and fill a spot on the 3rd line like Pelltier or something like that. But Sutter/Treliving understand that better than I ever would.

So I like it. Hopefully it works out well.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by rhino

Is it not better to use a 3rd round pick that MAY make your lineup 3 years from now for an experienced role guy on a cheap 1 year deal?

Even at the trade deadline I would argue no

Right before free agency begins is idiotic

Brad is essentially paying a premium to overpay a role player here. Pitlick isn’t worth his salary based on how he’s been playing

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by neo45

Even at the trade deadline I would argue no

Right before free agency begins is idiotic

Brad is essentially paying a premium to overpay a role player here. Pitlick isn’t worth his salary based on how he’s been playing

Trade deadline is worse than acquiring a player for an entire season.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It doesn't matter who they are.

The focus should be on getting a RW, an offensive defenseman, and a backup.



A 4th liner is way down on the priority list in how to use cap space.

Sure, but these things do not need to be addressed in chronological order. If Pitlik is the guy the Flames have targeted for this specific role, then it doesn't really matter whether this deal is consummated now or in late August.

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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by neo45

Even at the trade deadline I would argue no

Right before free agency begins is idiotic

Brad is essentially paying a premium to overpay a role player here. Pitlick isn’t worth his salary based on how he’s been playing

If he's a fourth liner that is replacement level you're right.

But if he's a shut down winger with a right shot and some size, he's clearly worth his salary and a mid round pick.

[dustygoon]

When Tre announces this trade, who is in for a drink every time he says "right shot" and "compete"?