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Bingo · 07-22-2021, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^Can someone explain what all that means?

Percentiles for various areas of the game.

Not a hugely offensive player, but approaching the 1/4 mark.

If you like the move you're pretty happy with him being 83rd percentile in even strength defense, and 91st percentile in the quality of competition he's faced.

that pretty much eliminates fourth liner terrible hockey player, and points to a guy that has some shut down abilities.

bad signs ... his WAR is trending down with last year especially being an issue. His WAR was solid in Dallas and Philly, but down in Arizona.

Chart below that though shows the reason for his WAR going down is a lack of finish last year while his actual game is trending up (chance prevention and chance creation while on the ice)

Player has value ... so I wouldn't say the like would be available as UFA.

But I get not wanting to move picks too.

Badgers Nose · 07-22-2021, 10:18 AM

If our lines were setup right he’d be good on the wing of Backlund. Serious shut down potential. I guess we’ll see.

I hope BT is working on bigger roster changes.

PepsiFree · 07-22-2021, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Can't wait to see if Pitlick's puck luck makes this a good pick up.

You're saying it's smart to pick up Pitlick for his puck luck if he has puck luck, unless he has no puck luck to pick up in which case Pitlick is a bad pick up with no puck luck?

Jiri Hrdina · 07-22-2021, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Off topic, and not to rag on you specifically...

But who in their right mind decided draft "capital" was a smarter way to say "picks"? I've seen it at least half a dozen times over the last week. It's bizarre.

Worse yet someone on the Fan yesterday referred to "defensemen capital".

Toonage · 07-22-2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You're saying it's smart to pick up Pitlick for his puck luck if he has puck luck, unless he has no puck luck to pick up in which case Pitlick is a bad pick up with no puck luck?

Precisely

Enoch Root · 07-22-2021, 10:21 AM

The Flames have 4 3rd round picks in the next two years, which is pretty great.

Using 1 of those 4 to acquire Pitlick is fine by me - they need what he brings.

And if it is a 3rd, I would much prefer this year vs next year. By all accounts, this is a weaker draft.

PepsiFree · 07-22-2021, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Worse yet someone on the Fan yesterday referred to "defensemen capital".

God, that IS even worse. I had a feeling it was some awful corporate-type speak.

gvitaly · 07-22-2021, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bzoo02

Also what's the difference between PK% and penalty %? On those WAR charts?

PK% - It compares him to other PKers around the league. It’s probably calculated by looking at dangerous chances against, goals against and so on divided by time spent on the ice.

Penalty% - Looks at penalties taken, and penalties drawn. At least that’s my understanding.

dammage79 · 07-22-2021, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

God, that IS even worse. I had a feeling it was some awful corporate-type speak.

The one that gets me is "human capital"

1qqaaz · 07-22-2021, 10:24 AM

Hopefully they extend him so that this isn't a one year rental. It would be nice to have a longer team, reasonably paid, effective presence on the fourth line. Like Ryan but cheaper.

And as much as I've trashed this, if it is indeed a third rounder, at least this is better use of a 3rd round pick than the Jake Boltmann and Keegan Kankig picks.

Toonage · 07-22-2021, 10:26 AM

^ Agreed. They balked (?) at paying Hathaway and now have the chance to get another Hathaway type player at the same rate. I would also rather they extend this player if using a pick to get him rather than throw an equivalent or greater amount year over year on the Leivos and Simons of the world.

ComixZone · 07-22-2021, 10:28 AM

Dreger also reporting Calgary.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418246180342059009

Jiri Hrdina · 07-22-2021, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

God, that IS even worse. I had a feeling it was some awful corporate-type speak.

The other one that bugs me is when people attach 'a' to a name.
For example yesterday someone said that the Rangers went out and aquired "a Barclay Goodrow".
There is only one.
They didn't acqurie "a Barclay Goodrow" they acquired Barclay Goodrow.

These odd turns of phrases tend to take hold.

topfiverecords · 07-22-2021, 10:29 AM

I seems lots of posters haven't seen Pitlick play, yet comment in absolutes.

Buff · 07-22-2021, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Worse yet someone on the Fan yesterday referred to "defensemen capital".

There have been a few players who didn't want to be a "Washington Capital"

VilleN · 07-22-2021, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Hopefully they extend him so that this isn't a one year rental. It would be nice to have a longer team, reasonably paid, effective presence on the fourth line. Like Ryan but cheaper.

And as much as I've trashed this, if it is indeed a third rounder, at least this is better use of a 3rd round pick than the Jake Boltmann and Keegan Kankig picks.

A little early to be calling the Boltmann pick a bust.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-22-2021, 10:33 AM

Not a bust yet but a real noodle scratcher.

Yrebmi · 07-22-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The other one that bugs me is when people attach 'a' to a name.
For example yesterday someone said that the Rangers went out and aquired "a Barclay Goodrow".
There is only one.
They didn't acqurie "a Barclay Goodrow" the acquired Barclay Goodrow.

These odd turns of phrases tend to take hold.

Player fungibility and all that.
Makes it easier for some to de-humanize players and think non-emotional about trades.

Harry Lime · 07-22-2021, 10:40 AM

"Draft capital" is one of the few that I don't mind, because it identifies something of numerical value. Not all first rounders are equal, so to say that a team with a higher pick has more draft capital is an empirical reference. It only really becomes useful when identifying multiple picks, or in direct comparison of value. It might be easier to say, "Calgary has the draft capital available to purchase Marc Staal, instead of saying that Calgary has a third, two fifths and a seventh". It identifies a range instead of specifics.

"Defenseman Capital" and that sort of thing is stupid, because unless you are cutting off a players leg and throwing it on the ice, there is no way to break down a player into constituent parts. "Capital" by it's nature seems to indicate value by terms of payment. I think that in hockey "Draft" is the only time that this works. Using it in other hockey context deserves a slap.

flames_fan_down_under · 07-22-2021, 10:41 AM

I guess expending draft CAPITAL (suck it PepsiFree) hurts because so many of the Flames major success stories have been late round picks, and I feel our scouts have done such a great job of unearthing these mid to late round gems that have been significant contributors to our teams success or other teams successes. Personally I would rather have a guy like Mangiapane or Brodie than a Pitlick. I just like seeing guys grow and develop within a teams system. The more darts you have the more chances you have of hitting a bullseye.

Mangiapane, Anderson, Brodie, Gaudreau, Paul Byron (sorry he was a Bufflo pick), Michael Ferland etc.