[Trade] Flames Acquire Lane MacDermid from Dallas

[cowtown75]

Like the pick-up, just confused as to why we gave up a 6th when he was on waivers for free 2 days earlier ? Either way, I like the addition- even if it's just for Abby right now.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Like the pick-up, just confused as to why we gave up a 6th when he was on waivers for free 2 days earlier ? Either way, I like the addition- even if it's just for Abby right now.

I think he would have had to play here for a certain amount of time before he could be assigned to Abbotsford.

Would he have had to clear waivers after then as well?

[killer_carlson]

post 55 has a Steinberg tweet on the issue.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I think he would have had to play here for a certain amount of time before he could be assigned to Abbotsford.

Would he have had to clear waivers after then as well?

Yes, he would have needed to clear waivers to be sent to Abbotsford.

If he didn't stay in Calgary for a minimum of 30 days or 10 games played before being placed on waivers by the Flames, Dallas could have reclaimed him and sent him to the AHL without putting him through waivers again (assuming no other team put in a waiver claim, which they obviously didn't).

As it stands now, he can be sent directly to Abbotsford, and if he gets recalled at any point, he can stay up for 30 days or 10 games played before he needs to go through waivers again.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by kermitology

If he was on waivers, why did we trade a 6th rounder?

if we claimed him, we couldn't put him in Abbotsford.

[EYE_Overstand]

I see it as a 6th round pick to help put some grit and muscle in Abby. Considering Abby is 10-1 in their last 11 and are at the top of the AHL... I see it great for the time being.

All you guys complaining about a 6th rounder should understand it can be recouped easily and the ones complaining about him being on Waivers need to understand he is for the A and not the big club (at least this season)

[Gaskal]

With Jones being recalled, Macdermid being traded after clearing waivers allows Abbotsford to have a decent replacement plug immediately. Macdermid enters the AHL while the Heat is in winning mode, it'd be good for development and good to protect our young guys from any dirty cheap shots.

Assuming we keep him for longer, I'm seeing him getting called up for the 9 game stint later in the season and eventually once McGrattan hangs the gloves up for good take McG's spot on the fourth line after a year or two of AHL development.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Humorous how people manage to find just about anything to complain about, even the most minor of moves.

We're only 8 pages in. A few years ago, this would be a 30 page topic. Not that bad.

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by Komskies

So we replaced Tim Jackman with... a young Tim Jackman?

Yeah, traded Jackman for a 6th... Traded a 6th for this dude. Why not? Maybe this guy is a better enforcer, and a better overall hockey player. Time will tell. Good move. Get younger, take these chances.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

Yeah, traded Jackman for a 6th... Traded a 6th for this dude. Why not? Maybe this guy is a better enforcer, and a better overall hockey player. Time will tell. Good move. Get younger, take these chances.

From what it sounds like, yeah....got a meaner streak and zero-tolerance policy on dirtiness against teammates. Hits everything in sight. Excellent in fights.

Reminds me of Godard except...angrier.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Francis's Hairpiece

Halak, Streit, Rinne, Byfuglien, Moulson, pavelski.

Perhaps not superstar criteria, but I'd take them over an AHL enforcer.

Dude, not a single one of those players was taken in the 6th round:

Halak-9th; Streit-9th; Rinne-8th; Byfuglien-8th; Moulson-9th; Paveslki-7th

6th round picks are almost never valuable.

Between 1997 and 2006 of the 300 players selected in the 6th round, 39 have played more than 100 nhl games or about 13%. The high years were 1998 and 2001 when 7 players taken reached the 100 game mark. Of those 39, 16 have scored 100 points and 3 have scored 400 points (Campbell, Markov, Datsyuk).

And the value of a 6th rounder is decreasing. In the five drafts between 2002 and 2006 only 16 players selected in the 6th played 100 games and only 2 have reached 100 points. In no year since 2001 have more than 4 6th round selections played more than 100 games.

In the four drafts 2007-2010, 6 players have reached 100 games and no one has scored 100 points.

According to the numbers, each NHL team should expect to draft a 400+ point player in the sixth round once every 100 years.

[shogged]

This had to have been a move with abbotsford at the forefront of thought. Maybe someone with a little more insight to the heat could advise on what the team down there looks like as far as grit and size in their play this year?

I remember wotherspoon getting run over not too long ago, perhaps a response to that?

[bubbsy]

my reaction:
"Who"

and

"meh"

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

6 players of the last 10-15 drafts which would be 6 players out of 600-900 picks made. Less than a 1% chance the flames get a legit star with that pick.

This is common logic. It is also backwards. If late round picks are cheap and if they have a low chance of producing a star then you should stockpile them.

1 pick gives you no chance of getting a star. A bunch gives you a legitimate shot at them.

Either spend the picks on players like Colborne that could amount to something. Or stockpile them to improve your chances.

Don't waste them in facepunchers that might one day be a fourth line goon.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by kehatch

This is common logic. It is also backwards. If late round picks are cheap and if they have a low chance of producing a star then you should stockpile them.

1 pick gives you no chance of getting a star. A bunch gives you a legitimate shot at them.

Either spend the picks on players like Colborne that could amount to something. Or stockpile them to improve your chances.

Don't waste them in facepunchers that might one day be a fourth line goon.

Even with 5 picks in the 6th round you've only got 0.03 chance of picking someone relevant.

You don't "stockpile" lottery tickets do you?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by kehatch

1 pick gives you no chance of getting a star. A bunch gives you a legitimate shot at them.

WTF. So less than 1 percent multiplied a few times. Ends up still being less than 1%. Big ####ing whoop. Let's stockpile an astronomically lopsided trade off, instead of playing our assets properly.

Originally Posted by kehatch

Don't waste them in facepunchers that might one day be a fourth line goon.

It's not might, it's more likely "will" - especially if Macdermid stays with Abbotsford for a year or two while McGrats prepares to call it a career and passes on the torch.

Despite what you may think, a team that's steadily getting younger like ours definitely needs an enforcer or two.

[bigbadboss101]

Pretty tough for a middle weight. Lists to Gazdic and Gallant and did well other times. Looks to have ability to play the game given the chance. With Calgary it's hard to say as they are not best at sowing youth.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Abbotsford has a toughness issue. They've got skill for days right now, but they don't have anyone who can protect teammates. Ferland can protect his teammates, but you don't want a guy like him to sit in the box for 5 minutes the way he's playing.

We'll see how this trade turns out, but as far as I'm concerned it was a much needed trade for the farm.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf

Also for people asking why we didn't claim him on waivers, i'd assume it's because we didn't want to lose out on our spot (which is probably 4th?) on a player like this. They would rather put in a claim on a better player if one was to ever go on waivers.

Just to reiterate what Sureloss said... Waivers do not work this way. The Flames could claim every single player placed on waivers and never lose their spot.

The reason why we didn't claim him is....

Originally Posted by ssjshmo

As per Steinberg

Couldn't put him to Abby right away if we picked him up off waivers.
Does that mean if we picked him up, he would have to go through waivers again as a Flames before Abby?

And yes, if we claimed MacDermid, we would have had to waive him again and hope he clears. But in the mean time, he would have had to been placed on the roster, and since his waiver expired before the Jackman trade was completed, our only real option at that point would have been to send Baertschi down to Abbotsford for a few days.

And just consider what the reaction to THAT would have been.

(Bouma might have been another option, but I'm not sure if he needs to pass through waivers yet. I think he does)

[Caged Great]

Even good teams need physical pain in the..... players to play against on the 4th line. The Kings had Nolan and King amongst others, the Bruins had most of their players being able to play that way, and the Hawks in the past had annoying guys like Brouwer and Burish.

MacDermid might help in the future by being one of those decent enough players that is a total pain to play against. Add in that he's a very good fighter and it's a win win.