[News] Jay Feaster adddresses the media

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Fair enough.

But the bolded comment highlights the concern (for me at least)

The bid/ask spread on hockey trades is huge - it all comes down to which team has to trade (or desires the trade), and they are going to be the one over-paying usually.

When playing GM-poker, I think you need to play it tight - certainly tighter than I'll-play-every-hand Feaster currently seems to be.

You have to let the game come to you.

Don't really understand the criticism of Feaster's comments. Obviously we're "open for business", and saying that does nothing negative or positive for us. Freaking out over that is silly to the max.

Feaster is talking to all the GM's. He's probably said far more candid things to them about what we need, what we would part with, etc. I can't imagine how some of the freak out artists on this board would go ballistic if they actually heard some real conversations.

I don't at all understand how some of you view GM's and the need to stay silent and how that would affect bargaining positions. None of us here has the GM experience to say really. But from where I sit the idea that Feaster saying some of the things he's said has negatively affected his bargaining position is pure silliness.

As fans we have limited information to work with. This means people start reading more into any quote from Feaster. Taking to its max you get this thread and people freaking out over nothing.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Stop listening then. The guy is talking because he was expected to have media availability today and did. Media ask him questions.

Honestly every time he opens his mouth it doesn't matter what he says some of you find fault with it.

Just stop listening.

I have nothing else to do!

[Caged Great]

I think that people need to just take a giant chill pill, especially through the end of the draft and the off season and through next season.

I can't wait till we take _______ at #6, because whomever carried a torch for any of the 3 likely guys (Nichushkin, Monahan, Lindholm) will flip out that we didn't take the other guy that's remaining. Similarly when it comes to #22 or #28.

The team is not good. It takes time to fix that. Whining makes the team more apt to take shortcuts which sabotages the chance that we have to become an actual contending team. This is part of the reason why the Canadian teams have not won a cup in 20 years (and even then it was only because Roy was in God mode in the playoffs). Too much pressure from fans getting all pissy that they aren't in the playoffs right now.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Stop listening then. The guy is talking because he was expected to have media availability today and did. Media ask him questions.

Honestly every time he opens his mouth it doesn't matter what he says some of you find fault with it.

Just stop listening.

Agreed. Some of you aren't going to like anything he says, that much has become obvious. You can freak out over the most innocuos quotes and make yourselves look silly especially when the quotes are poor twitter summaries that lack context.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by nik-

I have nothing else to do!

That much is obvious.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Don't really understand the criticism of Feaster's comments. Obviously we're "open for business", and saying that does nothing negative or positive for us. Freaking out over that is silly to the max.

Feaster is talking to all the GM's. He's probably said far more candid things to them about what we need, what we would part with, etc. I can't imagine how some of the freak out artists on this board would go ballistic if they actually heard some real conversations.

I don't at all understand how some of you view GM's and the need to stay silent and how that would affect bargaining positions. None of us here has the GM experience to say really. But from where I sit the idea that Feaster saying some of the things he's said has negatively affected his bargaining position is pure silliness.

As fans we have limited information to work with. This means people start reading more into any quote from Feaster. Taking to its max you get this thread and people freaking out over nothing.

Was anybody really "freaking out"? They might be critizing him, but if anything your post is more on the "freak out" side of things.

Also if you have to have GM experience to post opionons on CP, they might as well shut the site down.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by nik-

I have nothing else to do!

Clearly. I just don't see how some of you can just enjoy what should be a fun weekend - 3 first round picks, including a top 6 pick - lots of trade talk and a team now admitting it is a rebuild. Why not sit back and just enjoy it.

[nik-]

I will enjoy it, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have concern.

Sheesh. I say a lot of positive things here too you know, I don't see why I'm always quoted when it's negative.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Was anybody really "freaking out"? They might be critizing him, but if anything your post is more on the "freak out" side of things.

Put this in context. Feaster has a media availability before the draft. He says nothing particularly mind blowing. These kinds of things are the response...

Originally Posted by Yoho

What a smart thing to announce publicly..

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Feaster always lies you should not be surprised. " they can find a new GM if they want to rebuild this team"

Originally Posted by jschick88

Seriously why even say that. It benefits absolutely nobody.

Originally Posted by troutman

Darryl didn't talk enough. Jay talks too much.

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Re: Hartley's comments "We're all on board with what Feaster is trying to do here."

The guy certainly tries, and he loves to tell the media about how he 'tries', but all this trying only serves to highlight the fact that he's done next to nothing.

Originally Posted by nik-

Man, we're just following the Oilers PR blueprint. Just stop talking and make the team better Jay.

Originally Posted by Red John

Wish Feaster would shut up...sounding very Kevin Lowe-ish.

This loophole with NCAA players should have been closed with the new CBA - it might be frowned down on in the hockey fraternity but kids these days don't care...if they know they have the right to choose their team more and more of them are going to be me-first and do it. It's just a byproduct of the general attitude of the millenials (is that what they call them now?).

Weisbrod and the Flames love drafting their NCAA guys and hopefully they stop doing this - in 10 years from now NCAA guys may have a similar reputation to Russian players now - a stigma that keeps teams from spending valuable picks on a guy who is a flight risk.

It's not a good trend.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Feaster: STFU!!

Originally Posted by kyuss275

For a guy that likes to take a jab at the Oilers every chance he gets, its getting funny that he is becoming more like them.

Not sure "funny" is the correct word to use.

Is that not freaking out over absolutely nothing? It was a perfectly normal media availability where Feaster didn't say anything crazy.

I'd call that freaking out. Big time. Some reporters ask some questions, Feasters answers them. Then you get a bunch of people telling him to shut up? What a joke.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Put this in context. Feaster has a media availability before the draft. He says nothing particularly mind blowing. These kinds of things are the response...























Is that not freaking out over absolutely nothing? It was a perfectly normal media availability where Feaster didn't say anything crazy.

I'd call that freaking out. Big time.

I will only comment on mine.

Does he not take a jab at the oilers every chance he gets? Thats not a freak out, thats just the reality of it.

[Caged Great]

Okay, even if you don't like Feaster and would replace him with someone else, which of his moves have been bad?

The returns for Iginla, Bouwmeester, and Comeau were fairly good all things considered. We received slightly less for Iginla than the Thrashers got for Marian Hossa in his prime. Prior to this season, we would've been lucky to get a 3rd round pick for Bouwmeester. He built enough value for us to cash in.

Getting Knight for a 4th was an awesome trade. He'll be our 3rd line center likely this season. That's great.

Getting rid of a problem player in Alex Tanguay and receiving somewhat similar players for him and Sarich is good as well. It's a slightly worse return than even, but getting rid of a headache makes up for that.

Add on that the players we've drafted since he's become GM have all looked good in their development since their selection is good.

I don't see what there is to complain about other than the fact that he's Jay Feaster. The team is not good. It cannot be fixed with band aid solutions. It's one of those situations where you pretty much have to start over. The Flames are almost in the same category as a 2nd year expansion team (we have slightly more talent in the prospect pool than that but not much). It takes time to build things up from there.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Agreed. Some of you aren't going to like anything he says, that much has become obvious. You can freak out over the most innocuos quotes and make yourselves look silly especially when the quotes are poor twitter summaries that lack context.

It's not what he says, at least not for me. His chatter is entertaining, if nothing else. Burke never shuts up either and is entertaining too, if more abrasive. If Feaster could accomplish as much as Burke I would never complain. Therein lies the problem... When you are not very good at your job and you never shut up about what you are going to do or already tried to do, and proceed to (a) not do it, (b) do it badly or (c) do the opposite of what you said, well... you are Kevin Lowe. And that's exactly what we have here. In the 1980's Alberta was the pinnacle of hockey; today it's the septic tank...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Don't really understand the criticism of Feaster's comments. Obviously we're "open for business", and saying that does nothing negative or positive for us. Freaking out over that is silly to the max.

I'm not extremely upset about it or anything but I try not to be a hypocrite and I like many others here made fun of KLowe when he made the "open for business" claim years back. I'm not going to flip flop because my team made the sam claim so my view is that I would rather he not have said that.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I will only comment on mine.

Does he not take a jab at the oilers every chance he gets? Thats not a freak out, thats just the reality of it.

Just listened to the full press conference and I heard no reference to the Oilers.

How are we becoming more like the Oilers? Because Feaster has a media availability before the draft? That's 100% standard for every team I'd think. Was your comment justified by the Feaster press conference? Or just another pile on?

I think the fans who just want the info are getting sick of posters who like to criticize any word coming out of Feaster's mouth. It is frustrating, annoying and completely un-insightful to read. Feaster has a standard press conference. Fans tell him to shut up, say less, we're becoming like the loser Oilers, he only tries and never accomplishes anything (a day after a trade no less), etc. Just embarassing to read.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Red John

This loophole with NCAA players should have been closed with the new CBA

There is no (and was never any) "NCAA loophole". A loophole would imply that it's an rule that was unforseeable with unintended consequences. And I'm pretty sure the rule is working the way that it was intended to.

The relevant part of the old CBA was...

"If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft and does not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the negotiation of his services until the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft."

...In laymans terms that means that a team that drafted a player from a junior/HS hockey league who plays a season or more of junior before starting college hockey retains his rights for four years and not the entire duration of his college career (until his graduation) which is typically also four years. All the rule does is keep a reasonably similer clock for draftee's that don't go to school right away and those that do. The net "advantage' to Wheeler and Schultz is effectively just a few months negotiating time.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not extremely upset about it or anything but I try not to be a hypocrite and I like many others here made fun of KLowe when he made the "open for business" claim years back. I'm not going to flip flop because my team made the sam claim so my view is that I would rather he not have said that.

That's the thing - we are the Oilers and the Oilers are us. Defending one steaming pile because it's red and making fun of the blue one is... wait for it... intellectually dishonest.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Put this in context. Feaster has a media availability before the draft. He says nothing particularly mind blowing. These kinds of things are the response...




















Is that not freaking out over absolutely nothing? It was a perfectly normal media availability where Feaster didn't say anything crazy.

I'd call that freaking out. Big time. Some reporters ask some questions, Feasters answers them. Then you get a bunch of people telling him to shut up? What a joke.

None of those posts you quoted are "freaking out". I'm not sure what you define as freaking out ... perhaps you equate fed up with freaking out?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

It's not what he says, at least not for me. His chatter is entertaining, if nothing else. Burke never shuts up either and is entertaining too, if more abrasive. If Feaster could accomplish as much as Burke I would never complain. Therein lies the problem... When you are not very good at your job and you never shut up about what you are going to do or already tried to do, and proceed to (a) not do it, (b) do it badly or (c) do the opposite of what you said, well... you are Kevin Lowe. And that's exactly what we have here. In the 1980's Alberta was the pinnacle of hockey; today it's the septic tank...

Where's your evidence that he's doing a bad job, other than he's not a "hockey guy"?

The ROR debacle, which wasn't entirely his fault?

The possible moving of the 3 1sts for #1 overall?

If you look at the actual transactions, they have been mostly positive. The drafting has improved significantly.

I don't understand what he did that was so bad to get all this hate.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Just listened to the full press conference and I heard no reference to the Oilers.

How are we becoming more like the Oilers? Because Feaster has a media availability before the draft? That's 100% standard for every team I'd think. Was your comment justified by the Feaster press conference? Or just another pile on?

I think the fans who just want the info are getting sick of posters who like to criticize any word coming out of Feaster's mouth. It is frustrating, annoying and completely un-insightful to read. Feaster has a standard press conference. Fans tell him to shut up, say less, we're becoming like the loser Oilers, he only tries and never accomplishes anything (a day after a trade no less), etc. Just embarassing to read.

You didn't get the "open for business" line that Lowe made famous on CP?

Plus i was not commenting just on this one media scrum. He has put down the oilers many, many, many times in the past. Its odd considering the flames are in no postion to be throwing rocks at glass houses.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

That's the thing - we are the Oilers and the Oilers are us. Defending one steaming pile because it's red and making fun of the blue one is... wait for it... intellectually dishonest.

You are preaching to the choir as I firmly believe the Oilers and Flames are two of the three worst run organizations in the NHL.