Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Muslims and Mormons do not fit the classification for an ethno-relgion, I think you really should give it a google search because that alone tells me you know nothing about Jews or Jewish history. I do not think Jews are superior to any group of people, I did not say that once. The only reason I brought up the term, ethno-religion, is because you keep asserting it is all about RELIGION, when it is not. Albert Einstein, an atheist, was a Zionist. We have 2000 years of proof that the world will never protect ethnic or religious Jews, hence our belief that a Jewish state in our historical homeland is essential to our cultures survival. If you do not understand that then I cannot help you. Again, I never once asserted Jews are better than any other group, but merely challenging your clear limited understanding of Jewish people and history. It's actually shocking how swiftly you just dismiss our own persecution which has shaped our perspective through our generational trauma. You CLEARLY do not want to see this from any other perspective than your own. Saying this is all about religion for Jews is laughably incorrect. With that I am done engaging with you.

edit: Mormons actually are an ethno-religious group, Muslims are not.

Who cares, the point is, you aren't special. If people stopped pretending they were, this world would be a more peaceful place. I repeat, Jewish people are NOT special. They are people, just like everyone else on this planet.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Who cares, the point is, you aren't special. If people stopped pretending they were, this world would be a more peaceful place. I repeat, Jewish people are NOT special. They are people, just like everyone else on this planet.

I never once said I or any Jew was special, Please show me where I said that. I am merely explaining this is not only about religion for Jews but protecting our culture after 2000 years of persecution , Jesus Christ.

Zero actual discussion going on, same morally righteous virtue signalling posters who continue to not want to see the others sides perspective. Hopefully Hamas is eradicated in the coming months. Goodbye

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I hope the Palestinians are free from Hamas in the near future and a resolution can be reached.

It's going to take generations to wipe the Hamas stink away, palestinians have been indoctrinated with hate for many years

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Hey here's a fun math problem:

Hamas was voted in 16 years ago. They have not allowed an election since.

The median age in Gaza is 17. There are ~2.2m people in Gaza.

How many Gazans alive today voted for Hamas?

The sad thing is that Hamas has had all that time to indoctrinate those kids as well. Hamas run schools start teaching kids at the age of 5 the values of religious fundamentalism, how to use weapons, and to hate. Through no fault of their own and just the bad luck of being born there, a whole generation has been raised to be weapons and puppets for the Hamas cult leaders.

They are basically one of the world's wealthiest and best armed hate groups. It would be like of groups like the Proud Boys or KKK ran a government and instituted a curriculum for a whole generation. Who knows, maybe that is the future as well. It seems like extremism is on the rise everywhere and the recent support for Hamas around the world indicates that people are becoming desensitized to it.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Hey here's a fun math problem:

Hamas was voted in 16 years ago. They have not allowed an election since.

The median age in Gaza is 17. There are ~2.2m people in Gaza.

How many Gazans alive today voted for Hamas?

Elect stupid people win stupid prizes?

Darn non-existent foresight strikes again!

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Elect stupid people win stupid prizes?

Darn non-existent foresight strikes again!

Another question:

Which government threw the most money and supplies at Hamas to ensure it's victory in that election?

(Hint: It wasn't Iran)

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Another question:

Which government threw the most money and supplies at Hamas to ensure it's victory in that election?

(Hint: It wasn't Iran)

Let me guess, the other human rights arseholes in the region... SA

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Let me guess, the other human rights arseholes in the region... SA

I believe it was Israel because at the time, the PLO were causing Israel a lot more problems compared to Hamas.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Another question:

Which government threw the most money and supplies at Hamas to ensure it's victory in that election?

(Hint: It wasn't Iran)

The same type of people who also don't give two ####s about continuation of emergency services?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I believe it was Israel because at the time, the PLO were causing Israel a lot more problems compared to Hamas.

Lol. Israel was actively engaged in a war with Hamas. Hamas also ran on a platform of genocide and denouncing all deals with Israel, deals that Israel had worked for decades to put in place. Both Israel and the US took immediate steps to isolate Hamas.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

It's going to take generations to wipe the Hamas stink away, palestinians have been indoctrinated with hate for many years

Just as it did in Jordan? Egypt? UAE?

Guess what, make peace with your neihhbour and they treat you with respect. Play stupid games, no matter how strong you are, you still win stupid prizes.

If we're going to believe 2000 year old fairy tales, then there are legitimate reasons why Muslims and Christians don't believe Israel belongs anywhere near the middle east.

We don't argue it because we don't actually believe any of it relevant.

Believing that jews are entitled to the land in any way because of their special book is just as relevant here. They're there, they think they're entitled to it. Fine. Nobody else needs to believe it and jews need to be comfortable with that. Make peace with your neighbours with that assumption.

It's not antisemitic to not believe the old testament, just as its not Islamophobic to not believe the quran. You can think your neighbour is a moron and still be at peace with them. I get what the jews went through the last 2000 years. It sucks, really really sucks. But guess what, every minority goes through hateful stuff. Antisemitism isn't any more special than other forms of racism and doesn't require a country to enslave, murder, imprison and colonize another nation to make it right.

Get over your persecution complex. The West plays jews like a pawn and yes, the idea that jews can't be safe, even in the West is a form of antisemitism in and of itself.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

No.

Care for life facilities are intended to have continuous emergency backup power supply.

Yes, "emergency" backup power. Usually expecting grid service to be restored within 72 hours. They are a hedge against grid disruption, not to run indefinitely. Whole hospitals are also not on backup power. There are limited numbers of outlets in a building that will have generator power access, so not to place undue load the generator during operation.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by blankall

Lol. Israel was actively engaged in a war with Hamas. Hamas also ran on a platform of genocide and denouncing all deals with Israel, deals that Israel had worked for decades to put in place. Both Israel and the US took immediate steps to isolate Hamas.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-ye...-in-our-faces/

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-ye...-in-our-faces/

I thought so, thanks, as I would be way too lazy to look for it lol.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Muslims and Mormons do not fit the classification for an ethno-relgion, I think you really should give it a google search because that alone tells me you know nothing about Jews or Jewish history.

Whoopsie daisy. If there was only a place where you could go to see the method for determining what an ethno-religious group was and get a list of those groups? Where would you get one of those? Oh, that google search you were nattering on about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group

Well lookie lookie, who gets a cookie??? Mormons and Muslims both listed.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Just as it did in Jordan? Egypt? UAE?


If we're going to believe 2000 year old fairy tales, then there are legitimate reasons why Muslims and Christians don't believe Israel belongs anywhere near the middle east.

It doesn't matter what you believe, You don't see the French murdering Canadians for loosing to the British or the British murdering Americans for loosing their "legitimate" lands.

Nor do they hate each other.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Whoopsie daisy. If there was only a place where you could go to see the method for determining what an ethno-religious group was and get a list of those groups? Where would you get one of those? Oh, that google search you were nattering on about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group

Well lookie lookie, who gets a cookie??? Mormons and Muslims both listed.

That’s referring to Serbo-Croatian Muslims. Muslims in Indonesia are not part of the same ethnic group as Arab Muslims in the Middle East. You did not even click the link. Anyway this discussion is moot. I am not going to argue with people who zero ability to see the other perspective. Maybe also use a source better than wikipedia.

My whole damn point with you is that this is not just a religious conflict, at least from the Jewish side of the conversation. You painting it as such again shows your lack of understanding.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

Lol. Israel was actively engaged in a war with Hamas. Hamas also ran on a platform of genocide and denouncing all deals with Israel, deals that Israel had worked for decades to put in place. Both Israel and the US took immediate steps to isolate Hamas.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/...tine-conflict/

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yes, "emergency" backup power. Usually expecting grid service to be restored within 72 hours. They are a hedge against grid disruption, not to run indefinitely. Whole hospitals are also not on backup power. There are limited numbers of outlets in a building that will have generator power access, so not to place undue load the generator during operation.

Most hospitals, at least in countries where infrastructure doesnt take a backseat to such necessities as small engine powered, two man parasail assault vehicles, have provisions for continuous supplies.
Yes. Not all circuits are available to load in emergency backup situations. Thanks for the heads up.
Signed, JM electrician.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

It doesn't matter what you believe, You don't see the French murdering Canadians for loosing to the British or the British murdering Americans for loosing their "legitimate" lands.

Nor do they hate each other.

losing