Israel declares war on Hamas

[2Stonedbirds]

Um if electricity from the grid is removed from the hospital, the backup generators should run and generate for the hospital.

[activeStick]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1713277138437038573

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Brilliant input, way to contribute to the convo with this amazing insight. I don’t know why we haven’t thought of it yet. Just get over this stupid crap! Easy.

Look in the mirror and your posts in this thread. You have shown nothing but distain for the Palestinians and anyone who should have the audacity to criticize Israel. This attitude is part of the problem, on both sides. Start by considering the people you have problems with as humans rather than sub-humans and you will quickly see the failure in your thinking. Both sides need to put their religion aside and try working together as human beings. Start there and I think you'd be surprised how much can be accomplished.

[Manhattanboy]

Nm

[CliffFletcher]

The only way to stop civilians from being killed in war today is to stop war altogether. Because for the last century or so - since armies stopped fighting in tidy formations on battlefields - war means cities being bombed. One sobering figure I saw recently - 50,000 French were killed by Allied bombing in WW2. And they weren’t even the enemy. A more recent example is Mosul, where 3-5k civilians were killed retaking the city from ISIS.

Unless you’re a pacifist, the morality of bombing built-up areas today is assessed by the effort made to avoid casualties and let the civilians evacuate the area. And there’s scope for reasonable disagreement on how much effort Israel is making to reduce civilian casualties.

Having said that, it’s still baffling to me that so many people appalled at the deaths of civilians in Gaza can’t bring themselves to assign any portion of the blame (let alone the lion’s share that they deserve) to Hamas - who not only deliberately provoked this retaliation in the hopes of getting lots of Palestinians killed, but are actively trying to prevent civilians getting out of harm’s way.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Look in the mirror and your posts in this thread. You have shown nothing but distain for the Palestinians and anyone who should have the audacity to criticize Israel. This attitude is part of the problem, on both sides. Start by considering the people you have problems with as humans rather than sub-humans and you will quickly see the failure in your thinking. Both sides need to put their religion aside and try working together as human beings. Start there and I think you'd be surprised how much can be accomplished.

I literally said they deserve a state and are entitled to land and settlements are not conducive to creating peace. That being said Gaza is a terror state, Hamas and all those who support them need to be eradicated and the Palestinians and their leadership have done nothing to help their cause over the last 50 years +

You have made fun of a religion and an ethnic group. Saying Jewish history is fairy tales and stories. Sarcastically poking fun of the term ethno-religion. I don’t believe Palestinians are a made up people, nor is their history fairy tales. Your lack of understanding of Jews is astounding. You equated a 3,000 year old ethnic group to Mormons. You know absolutely nothing about Jews so how can you comment on this subject exactly?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Um if electricity from the grid is removed from the hospital, the backup generators should run and generate for the hospital.

Emergency generators are designed to run for short periods of time, not for days or weeks. Being cut off from the grid will take the hospital out of commission in quick order and put the sick and infirmed at risk. This is a preventable issue and is an active decision by Israel who controls the flow of water and power into the region. This is a war crime.

[activeStick]

International Committee of the Red Cross... Israel needs to be stopped by the international community before things get much worse.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1713076268776800329

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

You have made fun of a religion and an ethnic group. Saying Jewish history is fairy tales and stories.

Don't worry. It's not just Judaism. All religions are based on fairy tales and stories. It's how you dupe the rubes. All religions are bunk and control mechanisms over the weak-minded. We want to see this ####show resolved, religion is going to have to be kicked to the curb. Think critically and treat your fellow man as the human being they are rather than a follower of a different religion. I mean, you all believe in the same flying spaghetti monster. The only thing that is different is the "prophet" delivering the message. How ####ing dumb is that?

Your lack of understanding of Jews is astounding. You equated a 3,000 year old ethnic group to Mormons. You know absolutely nothing about Jews so how can you comment on this subject exactly?

Nice ghost edit.

Your lack of understanding ANYTHING is astounding. If I'm wrong, teach me. Tell me where I'm wrong because the only thing you do is piss and moan about how no one understands the Jew and how much you've been persecuted. Tell us all how we're reading this wrong! I give Pointman some credit for trying, but he's not really making any headway because it just doesn't lineup for critical inquiry.

If you do a comparison between Judaism, Islam, and Mormonism you'll find a lot of striking similarities. But to do that you would have to get outside your bubble of ethno-religious superiority and again approach the topic with some critical thought. So Judaism has been around for 3,000 years. Great, just means you've been sucked by the long con rather than Mormons and the short con. Should you get brownie points for that? I don't think so. The whole superiority thing about your ethno-religion over others that are also ethno-religions (both Muslims and Mormons fit the classification) is disturbing. It's like the followers of David Koresh claiming superiority over the followers of Jim Jones. All crazy talk. Move on from the religious angle and start with a humanist angle.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Emergency generators are designed to run for short periods of time, not for days or weeks.

No.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Don't worry. It's not just Judaism. All religions are based on fairy tales and stories. It's how you dupe the rubes. All religions are bunk and control mechanisms over the weak-minded. We want to see this ####show resolved, religion is going to have to be kicked to the curb. Think critically and treat your fellow man as the human being they are rather than a follower of a different religion. I mean, you all believe in the same flying spaghetti monster. The only thing that is different is the "prophet" delivering the message. How ####ing dumb is that?

You fail to fully grasp what an ethno-religion is, because if you did you would realize this is not a religious war for most Jews. We do not try and convert people to our religion. Israeli-Jews are not going around forcing the 2 million Israeli Muslims to convert to Judaism. We have direct ties to the land, just as the Palestinians. There is nothing more than Jews would want to live in peace with the arab world, hence the Abraham accords and the almost peace deal with Saudi Arabia, which would have given further concessions to the Palestinians but because Hamas acts a terror proxy for Iran that has now been squashed.

It sounds like your anger should be mainly directed towards Islamic Jihad, which is evil in its purest form. How exactly should a modern state make peace with an organization that if they could would drop a nuke on it? How can Israel make peace with the Palestinians when any future Palestinian state most likely becomes a proxy state for Iran to continue to wage its war with Israel and ultimately the West?

[Snuffleupagus]

Amazingly I agree with Lanny on something

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

No.

Yes.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yes.

No.

Care for life facilities are intended to have continuous emergency backup power supply.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

No.

Care for life facilities are intended to have continuous emergency backup power supply.

Which is useless without a continuous source of fuel.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Don't worry. It's not just Judaism. All religions are based on fairy tales and stories. It's how you dupe the rubes. All religions are bunk and control mechanisms over the weak-minded. We want to see this ####show resolved, religion is going to have to be kicked to the curb. Think critically and treat your fellow man as the human being they are rather than a follower of a different religion. I mean, you all believe in the same flying spaghetti monster. The only thing that is different is the "prophet" delivering the message. How ####ing dumb is that?



Nice ghost edit.

Your lack of understanding ANYTHING is astounding. If I'm wrong, teach me. Tell me where I'm wrong because the only thing you do is piss and moan about how no one understands the Jew and how much you've been persecuted. Tell us all how we're reading this wrong! I give Pointman some credit for trying, but he's not really making any headway because it just doesn't lineup for critical inquiry.

If you do a comparison between Judaism, Islam, and Mormonism you'll find a lot of striking similarities. But to do that you would have to get outside your bubble of ethno-religious superiority and again approach the topic with some critical thought. So Judaism has been around for 3,000 years. Great, just means you've been sucked by the long con rather than Mormons and the short con. Should you get brownie points for that? I don't think so. The whole superiority thing about your ethno-religion over others that are also ethno-religions (both Muslims and Mormons fit the classification) is disturbing. It's like the followers of David Koresh claiming superiority over the followers of Jim Jones. All crazy talk. Move on from the religious angle and start with a humanist angle.

Muslims and Mormons do not fit the classification for an ethno-relgion, I think you really should give it a google search because that alone tells me you know nothing about Jews or Jewish history. I do not think Jews are superior to any group of people, I did not say that once. The only reason I brought up the term, ethno-religion, is because you keep asserting it is all about RELIGION, when it is not. Albert Einstein, an atheist, was a Zionist. We have 2000 years of proof that the world will never protect ethnic or religious Jews, hence our belief that a Jewish state in our historical homeland is essential to our cultures survival. If you do not understand that then I cannot help you. Again, I never once asserted Jews are better than any other group, but merely challenging your clear limited understanding of Jewish people and history. It's actually shocking how swiftly you just dismiss our own persecution which has shaped our perspective through our generational trauma. You CLEARLY do not want to see this from any other perspective than your own. Saying this is all about religion for Jews is laughably incorrect. With that I am done engaging with you and this thread. I hope the Palestinians are free from Hamas in the near future and a resolution can be reached.

edit: Mormons actually are an ethno-religious group, Muslims are not.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

No.

Care for life facilities are intended to have continuous emergency backup power supply.

Not to be a total dick here but you do realize generators run on fuel… which is also short in supply. There are various reports out there that multiple hospitals in Gaza are low on fuel supply and will be non operational within days.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Which is useless without a continuous source of fuel.

Well where does that come from?

[2Stonedbirds]

Just hear me out here, and this may sound crazy but consider:

Your electrical generation grid is dependant on a state you view as the enemy. Fuel supply to ensure care of life generation is dependant on ports and borders controlled by those you despise. You lack either the foresight or economical means to supply yourself with stockpiles of fuel to maintain medical facilities. Caring for civilians by rhe elected government seems secondary to:

Advanced rockets
Technological and logistics investment to coordinate an attack
Funding of militant groups
Arming of militant groups

Then your smooth brain tells you to go kick the state which you depend on for care of citizens right in the sack.

When all hell predictably breaks loose, the reaction is to lay back and blame your provident oppressors with indignation in the face of your own selfishness and lack of foresight.

Just making sure I have the outline of priorities straight here.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Caring for civilians by rhe elected government seems secondary to:

Hey here's a fun math problem:

Hamas was voted in 16 years ago. They have not allowed an election since.

The median age in Gaza is 17. There are ~2.2m people in Gaza.

How many Gazans alive today voted for Hamas?