[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

because that is the game one lineup...and nobody will be playing those minutes. Come on now

Who are they replacing them with?

What star is going to fall from the sky into their laps?

Even if they signed/acquired three 20 goal scorers (from where? For what?), they’d be capped out, asset-poor and get bumrushed in the playoffs because they don’t have the horses.

There is nothing to “stay the course” with.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Bonded

May tomorrow bring a sweet Tkachuk trade

Or at least rumours of outlandish overpayments!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who are they replacing them with?

What star is going to fall from the sky into their laps?

Even if they signed/acquired three 20 goal scorers (from where? For what?), they’d be capped out, asset-poor and get bumrushed in the playoffs because they don’t have the horses.

There is nothing to “stay the course” with.

Well for starters the Tkachuk trade

Also, you can't just subtract 82 goals and say see they will score this many. Somebody will be playing those minutes and that PP time.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Sandman

The other day, I brought up the idea that Tre needed an asking price of a young player, prospect, and a first-and a few posters jumped on me, like it was the stupidest thing ever brought up on CP. Hope you read the above, Timbit...

Yep, the Eichel trade is a very close comparable.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Oh hey remember Friedman's "joke" ad that played on 960 all year about Gaudreau and Tkachuk being dealt that everyone hated?

Funny thing about that..

I was just thinking this earlier this evening.

I don’t care much for Friedman these days.

The last 2 weeks I’ve read only CP and have avoided all sports media of every kind. I imagine the Flames have lead all (hockey) stories daily. I just can’t bear to watch/listen/read.

[jroc]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hopefully not all of them at once, and hopefully not until a trade deal is actually on the table.

If they let Tkachuk talk to all the teams on the list and one is offering $9 million AAV and the other is offering $10.5 AAV, Tkachuk could then just turn around and take one (or more) of those teams out of the mix and pull the plug on any deal Treliving was working on.

Treliving needs to wait until they are about to pull the trigger before letting him negotiate with another team. And hopefully other teams on his list don't start leaking that they are interested, because if Tkachuk preferred one over the other, he could shorten his list.

Matthew is currently a free agent (albeit, restricted). He can currently talk to 31 other teams. He doesn’t need Treliving’s blessings.

I think this is a good thing. May open his mind to more serious party’s with more to offer.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by jroc

Matthew is currently a free agent (albeit, restricted). He can currently talk to 31 other teams. He doesn’t need Treliving’s blessings.

I think this is a good thing. May open his mind to more serious party’s with more to offer.

Since he is tied to arbitration and the resultant contract, that may no longer be true.

Although I expect as part of his agreement to provide a list, he can continue to talk to teams at his choosing.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Had a dream that he got traded to St. Louis and Tarasenko was apart of the package

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Team drafts well but nobody can see the future

Kyrou just had 75 points and then 7 goals in 12 playoff games...pretty unlikely you draft better than that
odds

Pretty good 2nd full year in the NHL

What the Flames can do is trade draft picks that could turn into that.

[JohnnyB]

The talk of a Rangers re-tool makes me uncomfortable. Seems like wishful thinking. This may literally be the best opportunity to blow it up for futures and do a full rebuild that any of us see in our lifetimes. The heart of the team is ripped out with Johnny and Tkachuk gone. Just let it die a proper death, flip the many remaining valuable assets into picks and prospects, then rebirth something better.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

The talk of a Rangers re-tool makes me uncomfortable. Seems like wishful thinking. This may literally be the best opportunity to blow it up for futures and do a full rebuild that any of us see in our lifetimes. The heart of the team is ripped out with Johnny and Tkachuk gone. Just let it die a proper death, flip the many remaining valuable assets into picks and prospects, then rebirth something better.

isn't that what the Rangers did? They announced a rebuild in February 2018 and immediately started flipping veterans for picks and prospects.

Feb 20 - traded Nick Holden for Rob O'Gara and a 3rd
Feb 22 - traded Michael Grabner for Yegor Rykov and a 2nd
Feb 25 - traded Rick Nash for Ryan Spooner, Matt Beleskey, Ryan Lindgren, a 1st and a 7th
Feb 26 - traded Ryan McDonagh and J.T. Miller for Vladislav Namestnikov, Libor Hajek, Brett Howden, a 1st and a 2nd

then the year after that:

Feb 23 - traded Mats Zuccarello for a 2nd and a 3rd
Feb 25 - traded Kevin Hayes for Brendan Lemieux, a 1st and a 4th
Feb 25 - traded Adam McQuaid for Julius Bergman, a 4th and a 7th

they traded away lots of veterans and brought in a boatload of draft capital. Sure, they lucked out by winning the lottery twice, signing Panarin and trading for Fox, but the overall strategy was to rip out the core and acquire picks and prospects. So if the Flames indeed want to do a Rangers style rebuild, I'd expect them to move the likes of Markstrom, Tanev, Backlund and so on over the course of the next one or two years.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

The talk of a Rangers re-tool makes me uncomfortable. Seems like wishful thinking. This may literally be the best opportunity to blow it up for futures and do a full rebuild that any of us see in our lifetimes. The heart of the team is ripped out with Johnny and Tkachuk gone. Just let it die a proper death, flip the many remaining valuable assets into picks and prospects, then rebirth something better.

The more I think about it, if it’s true, it’s a good news story. It means there’s acceptance that some sort of rebuild is needed from ownership.

Perhaps that’s as good as Treliving can hope for in this market. No owner wants a prolonged rebuild, so if he’s got buy-in to do it in short term then his job is to manage up for when the time is right to ramp it back up.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by devo22

isn't that what the Rangers did? They announced a rebuild in February 2018 and immediately started flipping veterans for picks and prospects.

Feb 20 - traded Nick Holden for Rob O'Gara and a 3rd
Feb 22 - traded Michael Grabner for Yegor Rykov and a 2nd
Feb 25 - traded Rick Nash for Ryan Spooner, Matt Beleskey, Ryan Lindgren, a 1st and a 7th
Feb 26 - traded Ryan McDonagh and J.T. Miller for Vladislav Namestnikov, Libor Hajek, Brett Howden, a 1st and a 2nd

then the year after that:

Feb 23 - traded Mats Zuccarello for a 2nd and a 3rd
Feb 25 - traded Kevin Hayes for Brendan Lemieux, a 1st and a 4th
Feb 25 - traded Adam McQuaid for Julius Bergman, a 4th and a 7th

they traded away lots of veterans and brought in a boatload of draft capital. Sure, they lucked out by winning the lottery twice, signing Panarin and trading for Fox, but the overall strategy was to rip out the core and acquire picks and prospects. So if the Flames indeed want to do a Rangers style rebuild, I'd expect them to move the likes of Markstrom, Tanev, Backlund and so on over the course of the next one or two years.

Thanks. I hadn't remembered all of those moves for picks with the Rangers. I just remembered the players in some of those moves. Going a route like what they did is actually okay by me then. Hopefully Treliving can pull it off with all the value in the assets now.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who are they replacing them with?

What star is going to fall from the sky into their laps?

Even if they signed/acquired three 20 goal scorers (from where? For what?), they’d be capped out, asset-poor and get bumrushed in the playoffs because they don’t have the horses.

There is nothing to “stay the course” with.

Gaudreau ans tkachuk will be replaced with players who will score zero goals. Great insight.

[PeteMoss]

The idea that some rando Flames employee is going to:
a) be high enough on the food chain to know the entire plan
b) risk his job by posting it on some skyrise city forum

seems rather remote.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Yep, the Eichel trade is a very close comparable.

Eichel was injured, and needed surgery at the time of the trade, but there were a few on this site who had that initial reaction of Vegas only had to pay that to get him.

It's a good cautionary tale for what the Flames might get for Tkachuck is a winger, and needing a new contact. Not sure how much the injury discounted Eichel at the time if at all, but normally he would be the higher value asset.

Turns out Buffalo did okay in the deal, but I think they hauled more than the Flames will get for Tkachuck.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Eichel was injured, and needed surgery at the time of the trade, but there were a few on this site who had that initial reaction of Vegas only had to pay that to get him.

It's a good cautionary tale for what the Flames might get for Tchuck who is older, is a winger, and needing a new contact. Not sure how much the injury discounted Eichel at the time if at all, but normally he would be the higher value asset.

Turns out Buffalo did okay in the deal, but I think they hauled more than the Flames will get for Tkachuck.

You can really brush aside the injured part of Eichel like he had a sprained ankle. He had a neck injury and was going to have a surgery that had never been done on an NHL player before. Quite possible its a career limiting injury.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Brad is best crowd does play a better strategic and longterm game. It is why they can still be his Tammy Wynette in this, his darkest hour.

Is it a long game, or just less emotional extremes?

I think the market is the market. I don't expect him to screw up and take less than the market will bear, nor do I hold out hope for some wizard trade that skunks another GM.

Is what it is.

[SportsJunky]

From Rutherford's article at the Athletic today.

you may be wondering, “Why would the Blues give up anything if they can get Tkachuk next summer when he becomes a UFA?” The answer is easy: because he’s expected to sign a long-term extension with another team before the Aug. 11 arbitration hearing and likely won’t be hitting the market next offseason. So if you want Tkachuk, you’d better get him now. You’d better bring your best offer.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

From Rutherford's article at the Athletic today.

Preach!!! Lol