[News] Flames announce 2017/18 opening day roster. Jankowski assigned to Stockton

[djsFlames]

This just tells you Treliving could not get someone to bite on Brouwer or Stajan.

At least not in time for game 1...

[Enoch Root]

Why do so many fans equate the opening day roster with the entire season's roster?

Every. Single. Year.

And every single year, the roster changes for game 2 (and again for game 3, and so on).

Jankowski will be back on the team ASAP. Quite possibly as quickly as game #2.

The hyperbole over this issue is ridiculous. Especially the 'always earned, never given' whine. Always earned doesn't necessarily have to apply to game #1 in the absolute.

Jankowski has earned a spot on the team. And he will have it. As soon as they can make it happen. Likely by game #2 or 3, I would bet.

Scratching him off Calder candidacy lists because he is going to miss game 1? lol

[browna]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

That was so similar I was expecting to find another link going back three years before that with the same topic. CP version of "Inception" or "The Ricks Must Be Crazy"

Well, 5 years before that, after a terrible preseason, the Flames protected long gone and the purported Russian bus driver Andrei Trefilov over the very active Jamie McLennan, on the old preseason waiver wire. That was a good thread too, but lost to the nether worlds of the interweb.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.386253

Long time CPers will see another amusing name who had his own threads on the unprotected list.

[Stay Golden]

Dissappointment that the staff are not keeping Jano up. The kid worked hard and earned a longer look vs real NHL competition. I thought he stood out in the right way for the Flames during each preseason game he played.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why do so many fans equate the opening day roster with the entire season's roster?

Every. Single. Year.

And every single year, the roster changes for game 2 (and again for game 3, and so on).

Jankowski will be back on the team ASAP. Quite possibly as quickly as game #2.

The hyperbole over this issue is ridiculous. Especially the 'always earned, never given' whine. Always earned doesn't necessarily have to apply to game #1 in the absolute.

Jankowski has earned a spot on the team. And he will have it. As soon as they can make it happen. Likely by game #2 or 3, I would bet.

Scratching him off Calder candidacy lists because he is going to miss game 1? lol

There isn't a twelve step program to making it happen. Kid won the spot. Veteran goes to the AHL. Keeping Hathaway, Hamilton, Stajan, etc up while he goes down is the wrong thing to do.

Team is better with Jankowski. He earned the spot. He showed he is NHL ready. Just as the GM says, he wants a kid to come up and steal a job. He did, and then it was gifted back to a veteran.

That isn't hyperbole. It's the truth.

[SportsJunky]

I keep seeing that Jankowski "made the team" or "earned the spot". Says who?

Did Treliving say that? GG?

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why do so many fans equate the opening day roster with the entire season's roster?

Every. Single. Year.

And every single year, the roster changes for game 2 (and again for game 3, and so on).

Jankowski will be back on the team ASAP. Quite possibly as quickly as game #2.

The hyperbole over this issue is ridiculous. Especially the 'always earned, never given' whine. Always earned doesn't necessarily have to apply to game #1 in the absolute.

Jankowski has earned a spot on the team. And he will have it. As soon as they can make it happen. Likely by game #2 or 3, I would bet.

Scratching him off Calder candidacy lists because he is going to miss game 1? lol

Agreed - many are forgetting that Treliving is a wizard! Jankowski will be just fine.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Flames have this super sweet prospect named Mark Jankowski. He's almost never talked about on CP so I'm not surprised you've never heard of him.

lol quite a smart ass comment from somebody who doesn't know how many NHL games Jankowski has played.

[tvp2003]

If Kulak starts game 1 (and plays well), what are the odds we send down Bartkowski to keep an extra forward on the roster? After Wednesday we won't play again until Saturday, and then it's on to ANA/LA (where we can easily send a guy up/down in case of injury or poor play)? By that time, any LTIR/trade considerations will have likely been determined... or in the case of Vegas, they realize that playing 3D with 2 forwards doesn't work in the NHL?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kehatch

There isn't a twelve step program to making it happen. Kid won the spot. Veteran goes to the AHL. Keeping Hathaway, Hamilton, Stajan, etc up while he goes down is the wrong thing to do.

Team is better with Jankowski. He earned the spot. He showed he is NHL ready. Just as the GM says, he wants a kid to come up and steal a job. He did, and then it was gifted back to a veteran.

That isn't hyperbole. It's the truth.

Except your post is pure hyperbole. Just because Jankowski made the team, does not mean it has to happen on day one.

Transactions have consequences. And some transactions take time. A GM's job is a little more complicated and nuanced than: this kid played well - waive and demote the vet right now!

He'll get Jankowski into the lineup. It's an 82 game schedule. Give him a day or two to work things out for christsake.

Some of you sound like little children: I don't care that my birthday isn't until tomorrow - I want a bike right now! Wah!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

If Kulak starts game 1 (and plays well), what are the odds we send down Bartkowski to keep an extra forward on the roster? After Wednesday we won't play again until Saturday, and then it's on to ANA/LA (where we can easily send a guy up/down in case of injury or poor play)? By that time, any LTIR/trade considerations will have likely been determined... or in the case of Vegas, they realize that playing 3D with 2 forwards doesn't work in the NHL?

It's a possibility, but an unlikely one. The problem/risk with what you are suggesting is: what if a defenseman gets hurt in warm up? If something happens, and it's too close to gametime, they have to play 5 defensemen that night.

There needs to be a pretty good reason to take a risk like that.

And if he did take that risk, and something happened that caused them to only dress 5 Dmen in Anaheim, and then they lost again, how many fans would react rationally to that?

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

And who were the players used on that Pens fourth line? Not Crosby, Malkin, or Kessel. But it was an excellent fourth line and a huge part of their cup wins:

Matt Cullen, who was the anchor. A do-it all two-way center. Not a face puncher or a big hitter.

The wingers he saw the most playoff ice time with were:

Tom Kuhnhackl who had more points last year in 57 games than Tanner Glass had in 134 with the Rangers. Scoring logs show only one of his points was assisted by Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin

Scott Wilson, a guy who had 26 even strength points last year with only six of those being a direct result of Crosby or Malkin. That's a fourth liner with one less 5v5 point than Frolik had last year. Getting 2nd liner type even strength production out of your fourth line... that's not going to happen if Tanner Glass type players are on that line as they don't contribute anything offensively.

Chris Kunitz, who even in his washed up old age would probably be an upgrade on all five wingers who made our fourth line ahead of Mark Jankowski. A grinder, yes, but a skilled grinder not just a plug.

Carl Hagelin, who is basically the Penguins' version of Frolik

Sorry, but your premise - that having great players makes you a poor model for success is flawed. There was more that went into the success of that team than having the two best players. That team has had high-expectation seasons end unsuccessfully when not built around its current model. They are very much THE model franchise because of how quickly and efficiently they retooled their peripheral roster in around December 2015 into a two-time cup winner after being out-of-the-playoffs-at-the-time. And a big part of that was no longer "overcooking" prospects like Sheary, Rust, Kuhnhackl (and eventually Guentzal, who started last year as an AHL rookie just like Jankowski)

It's a good model and it's funny because someone like Stajan fits right into the mold of the type of fourth line player. You look at his mins/point at even strength and Stajan performs at the same level as Versteeg and Ferland on the Flames and as well as Kunitz and Bonino on last year's Pens. Cullen had more offense but also better wingers.

So yeah they don't overcook their rookies but they also value the Vets who bring value and overachieve their position. Cullen had a great year and that line performed almost at second line time proficiency but Stajan is sitting on a fourth line performing like a 3rd liner. You are right on the money that there are wingers that need to be moved out of the way for Jankowski, but the posters who think that Stajan needs to be waived to make room arn't seeing the value he actually brings.

[GioforPM]

I think Jankowski deserves to be on the team and that he will be sooner rather than later. However, saying he won the spot based simply on one camp kind of demeans veterans' body of work. If a rookie outplays Frolik in one camp, do we ignore Frolik's good work? Brouwer had a mediocre camp and a decidely bad year. It he's a guy who averages much higher production, and he had a pretty tough injury to deal with given his skill set. Do you ignore his past? In an extreme example, Gaudreau had no camp at all last year. I guess he didn't earn a spot ��

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by FBI

lol quite a smart ass comment from somebody who doesn't know how many NHL games Jankowski has played.

Haha. You do realize you made the smart ass comment only to be proven wrong?

[cracher]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

This just tells you Treliving could not get someone to bite on Brouwer or Stajan.

At least not in time for game 1...

This is what I'm afraid of. Because there surely is a huge market for another center who still doesn't have a contract for next season.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Haha. You do realize you made the smart ass comment only to be proven wrong?

Well I will admit my comment was a bit smart assed as well but he certainly has only played 1 NHL game.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Except your post is pure hyperbole. Just because Jankowski made the team, does not mean it has to happen on day one.

Transactions have consequences. And some transactions take time. A GM's job is a little more complicated and nuanced than: this kid played well - waive and demote the vet right now!

He'll get Jankowski into the lineup. It's an 82 game schedule. Give him a day or two to work things out for christsake.

Some of you sound like little children: I don't care that my birthday isn't until tomorrow - I want a bike right now! Wah!

You are the one accusing people of acting like children, of hyperbole, and the like. Either step down from your high horse and stop accusing others of drama, or drop the drama yourself.

Demoting a veteran takes 24 hours. It isn't a complicated thing. In fact, a variety of Flames were out through thst process, along with players all over the league. Camp and all that.

The facts are that Jankowski was demoted while Hamilton, Hathaway, and Stajan were not. That was a decision made by the GM, coach, or some combination.

There could be a different decision in the future. There may not be. But it doesn't change the one that was just made and fans on a hockey message board have every right to express their opinion that it was the wrong one.

If you agree with the decision then defend it. But stop making excuses for a bad decision being made.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by kehatch

You are the one accusing people of acting like children, of hyperbole, and the like. Either step down from your high horse and stop accusing others of drama, or drop the drama yourself.

Demoting a veteran takes 24 hours. It isn't a complicated thing. In fact, a variety of Flames were out through thst process, along with players all over the league. Camp and all that.

The facts are that Jankowski was demoted while Hamilton, Hathaway, and Stajan were not. That was a decision made by the GM, coach, or some combination.

There could be a different decision in the future. There may not be. But it doesn't change the one that was just made and fans on a hockey message board have every right to express their opinion that it was the wrong one.

If you agree with the decision then defend it. But stop making excuses for a bad decision being made.

And what, do you suppose, was the rationale for that decision? Are you certain it was simply because the organization doesn't want to demote veterans? Keep in mind Bollig, Vey, Raymond, and McGrattan (among others) were sent down to the minors.

Sending a vet down to the minors is typically an absolute last resort once you've extinguished all possible trade options. Not the kind of thing you do for your opening day roster.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

And what, do you suppose, was the rationale for that decision? Are you certain it was simply because the organization doesn't want to demote veterans? Keep in mind Bollig, Vey, Raymond, and McGrattan (among others) were sent down to the minors.

Sending a vet down to the minors is typically an absolute last resort once you've extinguished all possible trade options. Not the kind of thing you do for your opening day roster.

You are suggesting Hathaway and Hamilton are veterans where we need to explore all trade options before demoting them to the farm? Is Enoch suggesting it takes lots of time to figure out the complicated transaction of denoting Freddie Hamilton?

There was no reason the Flames couldn't have demoted Hamilton over Jankowski and sat Stajan as the 13 forward. Except that they chose to.

I can buy the argument that Hamilton deserved the spot over Jankowski. Or that they need Jankowski to play top minutes. Or thst Jankowski isn't ready. I don't agree with any of that. But those are arguments.

But suggesting that the Flames couldn't pull off putting Hamilton on waivers so they didn't have a choice but to demote Jankowski... Come on.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by kehatch

You are the one accusing people of acting like children, of hyperbole, and the like. Either step down from your high horse and stop accusing others of drama, or drop the drama yourself.

Demoting a veteran takes 24 hours. It isn't a complicated thing. In fact, a variety of Flames were out through thst process, along with players all over the league. Camp and all that.

The facts are that Jankowski was demoted while Hamilton, Hathaway, and Stajan were not. That was a decision made by the GM, coach, or some combination.

There could be a different decision in the future. There may not be. But it doesn't change the one that was just made and fans on a hockey message board have every right to express their opinion that it was the wrong one.

If you agree with the decision then defend it. But stop making excuses for a bad decision being made.

I think a big part of it is everyone is looking at the situation in too narrow of a view. There are a bunch of factors in play. For one, every team is in the same boat jostling around to get their rosters settled for the roster limit deadline. Every GM knows this so it is all about keeping your flexibility, which the flames have done. Sending a vet through waivers has a couple drawbacks. You could lose the player or if they make it through you potentially waste cap space because you paying a hefty portion of the vets salary plus his replacement. Why go through any of that when you can move a player without impacting any of the assets you have and you don't paint yourself into a corner where another GM is waiting to pounce.

The first couple weeks teams are still evaluating their rosters. GMs are playing and reading each other and all it takes is a rookie to be sent down or an injury to occur and the dominos start to fall.

I have no doubt Jankowski plays a vast majority, but if it means the team needs him to play in the AHL a game or two until Treliving gets things settled, then so be it.