2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

This team doesn't lose games because of what Lucic and Lewis do. I wouldn't even say they're top-10 on the list of major issues with this roster.

In the end goal differential determines games.

Our top players need to have better goal differentials but when we look at forwards only 3 have negative goal differential.

Kadri: GF: 39 GA: 40 (Huberdeau gets all the blame but I think Kadri has been worse after a hot start)
Lewis: GF: 20 GA: 27
Lucic: GF: 23 GA: 35

Lewis and Lucic are 100% some of the issues with this roster, he's also played the 9th most minutes on the team this season among Forwards.

Lucic is also the only regular forward below 50% on expected goals for at 48.9%.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the end goal differential determines games.

Our top players need to have better goal differentials but when we look at forwards only 3 have negative goal differential.

Kadri: GF: 39 GA: 40 (Huberdeau gets all the blame but I think Kadri has been worse after a hot start)
Lewis: GF: 20 GA: 27
Lucic: GF: 23 GA: 35

Lewis and Lucic are 100% some of the issues with this roster, he's also played the 9th most minutes on the team this season among Forwards.

Lucic is also the only regular forward below 50% on expected goals for at 48.9%.

Sure but nobody expects Lewis and Lucic to be anything other than at the bottom

They performed as expected. Huberdeau and Kadri on the other hand…

[Ashasx]

I don't care who you are or what role you play, if you have a negative goal differential over the course of the entire season at even strength, and you are one of only 3 guys on the team to do so, you aren't playing to expectations.

Either that's on the player or the coach for putting the player in a position that is over his head.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean they traded Brett Ritchie for him...it wasn't worth people getting all worked up about

Now if they traded a puck then maybe

“Fake story” aspect though.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the end goal differential determines games.

Our top players need to have better goal differentials but when we look at forwards only 3 have negative goal differential.

Kadri: GF: 39 GA: 40 (Huberdeau gets all the blame but I think Kadri has been worse after a hot start)
Lewis: GF: 20 GA: 27
Lucic: GF: 23 GA: 35

Lewis and Lucic are 100% some of the issues with this roster, he's also played the 9th most minutes on the team this season among Forwards.

Lucic is also the only regular forward below 50% on expected goals for at 48.9%.

Only 20 games left of Lucic.

Sweet relief is on the way.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Sure but nobody expects Lewis and Lucic to be anything other than at the bottom

They performed as expected. Huberdeau and Kadri on the other hand…

Nope. It means it's a gap in the team. The 4th line isn't supposed to score - but it can't get scored on.

And it can't be -12 in goal differential like Lucic is.

Some of that is coaching, since the coach uses our 4th line in a way that he shouldn't and will play them against other teams top 6.

But to say "they aren't a problem" is just false. Good teams have good 4th lines.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Only 20 games left of Lucic.

Sweet relief is on the way.

Lucic was not good this season and he was overplayed but what's done is done and I'm just happy that the Neal/Lucic nightmare is nearly over.

[sureLoss]

HNIC:

Things that were discussed or almost happened

Oilers made a legitmate offer on Meier
Were willing to bring him in and deal with the cap implications in the Summer

Friedman thinks Flames looked at Meier too but only if they could sign him


Oilers had internal conversations about bringing MacEwen

Leafs looked at Ekholm or Karlsson
The Math wasn't possible with what teams were willing to retain

Sharks looked at Greenway

Conversations between the Flyers and CBJ on Hayes
It sounds like any deals the Flyers will make will happen at the draft


Nick for Brett trade:
Nick Ritchie was on Flames radar for a very long time.
Flames were in his top 3 teams before he signed with Leafs
Sutter had a relationship with Ritchie when they were both part of the Ducks

Brett was fated to leave Calgary
Rumours he was going to join LA last summer

[GioforPM]

The funny part of that session was I was reminded that the Oilers got a 4% retention on Ekholm

[SilverKast]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Only 20 games left of Lucic.

Sweet relief is on the way.

And most of that relief will go to the increase to Huberdoh...

[Flamesfan05]

Treliving should give Montreal a pick to take Huberdeau

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Treliving should give Montreal a pick to take Huberdeau

Huberdeau is actually one of the players I’m not worried about. The guy has the skill, he’s been nothing but a pro this season, and he committed to Calgary for 8 years. It’s a bad fit with the coach right now and his centre (Kadri), but that stuff can be worked on.

This team is not contending for the Stanley Cup during the first half of his contract though - they don’t have a roster that can do that - so largely, it doesn’t matter.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Hey, a 10 spot jump in lottery is a W as well. Finish 13th and pick 3rd? Yeah that'll do. Bedard is the Uber tier but there's also 5 players that are absolutely top tier blue chip prospects after him.

Yep, and when Flames draft another Bennett it would fit right in with the misery that is this franchise.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Huberdeau is actually one of the players I’m not worried about. The guy has the skill, he’s been nothing but a pro this season, and he committed to Calgary for 8 years. It’s a bad fit with the coach right now and his centre (Kadri), but that stuff can be worked on.

This team is not contending for the Stanley Cup during the first half of his contract though - they don’t have a roster that can do that - so largely, it doesn’t matter.

I feel the team needs to trade some players at the draft. Get extra picks and a blue chip young guy. Then maybe suck 1 more year and be competitive in year 2 of huberdeaus contract.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Yep, and when Flames draft another Bennett it would fit right in with the misery that is this franchise.

I'd take Bennet back right now if there was an opportunity.

[genetic_phreek]

What's the value of trading guys like Lindholm, Toffoli, Hanifin, Backlund, Zadorov, Tanev in the summer vs in-season? How about next TDL?

During the offseason teams won't really know where they stand in terms of playoff standings but they will with their cap space. You rarely see teams add 1 year players and give up decent draft picks. Unless they think they can extend them.

During next season, if we run it back and bounce back, we likely don't trade these expiring guys just because you wouldn't subtract if you're truly in the hunt. Which then we risk losing guys to free agency for nothing.

I think the value declines from here on out unless they have a good season in 23/24 before next TDL. The combination with guys getting older and the list of expiring contracts after next season has some pretty big names such as Matthews, Nylander, Aho, Reinhart just to name a few, may also not give us such a big return.

I truly think we missed out to capitalizing on returns with all those guys listed. Hopefully I'm wrong but time will tell.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

What's the value of trading guys like Lindholm, Toffoli, Hanifin, Backlund, Zadorov, Tanev in the summer vs in-season? How about next TDL?

During the offseason teams won't really know where they stand in terms of playoff standings but they will with their cap space. You rarely see teams add 1 year players and give up decent draft picks. Unless they think they can extend them.

During next season, if we run it back and bounce back, we likely don't trade these expiring guys just because you wouldn't subtract if you're truly in the hunt. Which then we risk losing guys to free agency for nothing.

I think the value declines from here on out unless they have a good season in 23/24 before next TDL. The combination with guys getting older and the list of expiring contracts after next season has some pretty big names such as Matthews, Nylander, Aho, Reinhart just to name a few, may also not give us such a big return.

I truly think we missed out to capitalizing on returns with all those guys listed. Hopefully I'm wrong but time will tell.

Tree pretty much summed it up like this:

We saw what the crazy prices were at the TDL for UFA's. Best to save these mega bullets for the next TDL.

Lucky thing for CGY will be that all 6 pending UFAs will play for c9ntracts we will be the best in the West and lose some UFAs for noth8ng after a 1st round exit! This is the way.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Not necessarily a trade rumor, but take a look at this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1633656796702298117

[Canada 02]

Google should by a team and have it coached and managed by AI

[blankall]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Huberdeau is actually one of the players I’m not worried about. The guy has the skill, he’s been nothing but a pro this season, and he committed to Calgary for 8 years. It’s a bad fit with the coach right now and his centre (Kadri), but that stuff can be worked on.

This team is not contending for the Stanley Cup during the first half of his contract though - they don’t have a roster that can do that - so largely, it doesn’t matter.

If the team isn't contending during the first half of Huberdeau's contract, it's largely because of Huberdeau. Roster-wise the Flames have excellent depth and defence. They are missing a game breaker, which Huberdeau is supposed to be and is being paid to be. If the Flames had a first line forward putting up 90+ points, they win a lot of those 1 goal games and don't end up in OT at all.

Not fair to put the blame squarely on Huberdeau. Lots of other things have gone wrong, but Huberdeau is certainly one of 3-4 major things going wrong that have the Flames where they are.